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    @HONEYHILL said:

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    Hello Oliver,
     
    thanks for getting in touch.
     
    You can use all our samples & software on the macOS Ventura. Our software also works with the M1 and M2 chips, and it works surprisingly well on Rosetta 2.

    There are a couple of developers using this rethorics (Audioease, among others), and to me, either this is the pinnacle of condesending mumbo-jumbo, or – even worse – VSL don't understand the problem with this argument. I don't believe the last one if the case, instead it's just a way of confusing people.

    The problem is not VEP itself. It's the fact that all DAWs except Logic has to be run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means all other plugins will run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means bugs, glitches, performance degredation, etc. Most of us has hundreds of plugins. Of which 99% are now M1 native, where all VSL related software is not.

    Even mentioning this as a "positive" argument makes me so annoyed I feel it was worth permanently abandoning VEP just for the sake of not being humiliated.

     

    I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance, and no running older projects. For Cubase this doesn't work I would suppose. 

     the worst part to me is that personally all that needs changing is the VEP plug in itself, I don't plan on running the server on Apple Silicon here, since I have 96GB on the old Mac Pro and it works just fine. I'm almost willing to bet that VSL doesn't release the AS native VEP version until their Syncron players and the rest of their products are native as well. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just get the feeling that they wouldn't want to release the server as native without their own products being able to be used in it natively. 
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    @Michael Canavan said:

    I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance,



    Exactly, which means no multiple Midi ports for VEP (AU), which is a showstopper for many of us.

    Ditto - All I need is the VEP plugin to be M1 native (MAS preferably). All of my servers are PCs.  I have no plans to run VEP server on a Mac M1 anytime in the next 1-2 years. 
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    I'm in exactly the same boat.  If I could run an Apple Native AU plugin in the DAW (Logic for me), I could access my PC servers hosting all the samples I've used for years.  Rosetta mode is glitchy as hell for many, many things. 
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    @kpbenoit said:

    I'm in exactly the same boat.  If I could run an Apple Native AU plugin in the DAW (Logic for me), I could access my PC servers hosting all the samples I've used for years.  Rosetta mode is glitchy as hell for many, many things. 



    I installed a couple NVMe's in a Sonnet Echo Dual NVMe (RAID) because the Mac Studio Ultra (128 gigs RAM) can easily handle it.  I moved (re-downloaded) all my VI samples to that.  So really I don't need VEP anymore - but it sure would be nice for all the earlier work.  And because I love its organization / bundling of VI"s in one place.  Haven't hit the RAM ceiling - or come close yet - and I've done some fairly complex stuff.  But no full tilt Hollywood scores / soundtracks etc. 
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    After reading religiously this post since a few month, I was really affraid as I've just received my Mac Studio ultra and I was certain that VEP was totally Brocken.

    I've just give it a try : LogicPro M1 native (VEP AU) and VEP local server Ilok version (on the same Mac Ultra) with latest version downloaded yesterday.

    The result is not so bad

    It does work. There is some light clicks (latency @128), but it does works (orchestral template with a lot of instruments and more than 64gb of RAM usage). Clicks are disappearing when putting VEP server on top and not logic (weird).

    It is not the greatest solution, but I'm able to open my template and make some mods to olds songs.

    I can't wait to get the Silicon native version !

    In the meantime, I will stay with logic only to avoid those clicks
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    that's an advantage of using logic. You can run native and most of the plugins runs native. 

    I'm on cubase, the only option is to run completely in rosetta if I want to use VSL, and not all VST3-plugins are responsive enough. Still hoping on a VEP native release soon.
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    @kurt said:

    that's an advantage of using logic. You can run native and most of the plugins runs native. 

    I'm on cubase, the only option is to run completely in rosetta if I want to use VSL, and not all VST3-plugins are responsive enough. Still hoping on a VEP native release soon.

    To be fair, Reaper, Digital Performer, and Live can run native VST and AU’s alongside Rosetta AU’s for things like VEP. Bitwig has it’s own wrapper for non Apple Silicon ready VST’s, undoubtably a product of it’s plug in sandboxing. I would bet Studio One can as well, Cubase might be the only DAW that can’t run native VSTs if it wants to run non native plug ins as well, since the only other VST only can.  
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    I did not know, thank you for the info. 
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    I finally had to drop VEPro for the foreseeable future.

    I spent the past 4-5 weeks, between projects, working out an alternative to VEPro on the M1 so I can run DP natively, and I've settled on ipMidi and hardware I/O (VEPro or Cantabile hosting on the slave PC).  ipMidi is limited to 20 ports, but is far easier to setup and use than RTPmidi.  

    I'll see what the new year brings from VSL, but I simply could not wait any longer, and had to find a long term, reliable solution due to a heavy workload next year that I need to start preparing for now.  

    It is worth it just to run DP natively (significantly better performance vs DP-Rosetta).  I also can't assume the next version of VEPro will be stable enough for demanding work out of the gate.  It could be months before VEPro-native is an option, if the MAS plugin is even available upon first release.  

    This took a lot of time to reconfigure and test, and time is money.  It also comes with a significant hardware investment for the necessary I/O.  I know it is "old school", but it works very well.  
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    It's high on our list, but I can't give you an ETA - it usually only causes disappointment when things don't go as planned. 

    But rest assured that we're on it!

    Best, 
    Paul

    That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?

    Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!

    Thank you
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    @Tomboman said:

    That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?

    Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!

    Thank you

    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/vsl-synchron-piano-and-apple-m1-confirmed-bug.133865/post-5252224

    It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.
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    @andy1044 said:

    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/vsl-synchron-piano-and-apple-m1-confirmed-bug.133865/post-5252224

    It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.

    Oh great, that sounds good. Thank you very much!
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    Halleluja - that would be fantastic . . . HAPPY NEW YEAR 2023 .... long live Apple Silicon  and ViennaSL.
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    Glad it's being worked on!

    I just figured out that this is the reason why most of my VST3 plugins weren't showing up in Studio One.
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    Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!"  haha.  One can dream....
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    @evang42 said:

    Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!"  haha.  One can dream....

    LOL... +1

    frustrating... isn't it? 😞
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    Just my every few month check in.  Still ok without it, but I haven't done any of the really big stuff yet.  And fortunately a lot of my instrument settings/setups were saved - so I can run 'em as a plugin (Ivory, Trillium, Omnisphere, newer Spitfire etc) and some inside Kontakt. Everything would be easier if VEP worked.  It's been fun learning work arounds and the capabilities of this machine (Mac Studio Ultra / 128 RAM).   Pretty astonishing. 
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    Just got my Mac Studio! The only thing keeping me back is the native VEP MAS plugin. Hopefully this will be the month..
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    I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do. 

    VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it. 
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    @afterlight said:

    I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do. 

    VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it. 

    Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once. 

     Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now.