I did not know, thank you for the info.
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I finally had to drop VEPro for the foreseeable future.
I spent the past 4-5 weeks, between projects, working out an alternative to VEPro on the M1 so I can run DP natively, and I've settled on ipMidi and hardware I/O (VEPro or Cantabile hosting on the slave PC). ipMidi is limited to 20 ports, but is far easier to setup and use than RTPmidi.
I'll see what the new year brings from VSL, but I simply could not wait any longer, and had to find a long term, reliable solution due to a heavy workload next year that I need to start preparing for now.
It is worth it just to run DP natively (significantly better performance vs DP-Rosetta). I also can't assume the next version of VEPro will be stable enough for demanding work out of the gate. It could be months before VEPro-native is an option, if the MAS plugin is even available upon first release.
This took a lot of time to reconfigure and test, and time is money. It also comes with a significant hardware investment for the necessary I/O. I know it is "old school", but it works very well.
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Hi,
It's high on our list, but I can't give you an ETA - it usually only causes disappointment when things don't go as planned.
But rest assured that we're on it!
Best,
PaulThat message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?
Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!
Thank you
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That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?
Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!
Thank you
It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.
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It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.
Oh great, that sounds good. Thank you very much!
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Halleluja - that would be fantastic . . . HAPPY NEW YEAR 2023 .... long live Apple Silicon and ViennaSL.
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Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!" haha. One can dream....
LOL... +1
frustrating... isn't it? 😞
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Just my every few month check in. Still ok without it, but I haven't done any of the really big stuff yet. And fortunately a lot of my instrument settings/setups were saved - so I can run 'em as a plugin (Ivory, Trillium, Omnisphere, newer Spitfire etc) and some inside Kontakt. Everything would be easier if VEP worked. It's been fun learning work arounds and the capabilities of this machine (Mac Studio Ultra / 128 RAM). Pretty astonishing.
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Just got my Mac Studio! The only thing keeping me back is the native VEP MAS plugin. Hopefully this will be the month..
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I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do.
VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it.
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I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do.
VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it.
Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once.
Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now.
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I check this page at least once a week. I always thought VSL was one of the better tech companies, not so much any more. I would have been so happy if they rolled it out in phases, all I need is the VST plugin to be native. I, like many other people, host all the samples on a PC. So I only need the bridge to be native. Then of course they could have rolled out the host software later.
That seems like such a simple concept, but here we are...still waiting...
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Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once.
Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now.
Developing a stable VST3 host that plays well with most VST3 plugins isn't easy apparently. A lot of developers dislike the VST3 standard and the forced transition to it was very problematic for many of them.
For me VEP doesn't inspire much confidence lately. After the switch to iLok I keep seeing a lot of new issues - on top of the long-standing problems of VEP7 - on this forum and elsewhere.
I'm disappointed because VEP is a mission critical software for a lot of professionals. This should be the biggest focus of VSL.
Another unfortunate thing that didn't help is that the "big guys" already have 2019 Mac Pros so the pressure isn't as strong. If Apple had moved to AS without releasing the 2019 MP the story would be a lot different with much more complaints and drama.
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I check this page at least once a week. I always thought VSL was one of the better tech companies, not so much any more. I would have been so happy if they rolled it out in phases, all I need is the VST plugin to be native. I, like many other people, host all the samples on a PC. So I only need the bridge to be native. Then of course they could have rolled out the host software later.
That seems like such a simple concept, but here we are...still waiting...
To their credit, on top of VST3, GUIs for modern times, and Apple Silicon.... VSL also recently had to switch from eLicenser to iLok. They IMO shot themselves in the foot inadvertently by not doing VST3 earlier, at least one port would be out of the way.
the main WTF? moment though is as you state, them not porting the plug in over ASAP. This is IMO a huge financial loss to them since people would have bought the software just to use depreciated or incompatible VSTs on a server machine while running the VEP AU, MAS or VST3 plug in, in their DAW.
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For me VEP doesn't inspire much confidence lately. After the switch to iLok I keep seeing a lot of new issues - on top of the long-standing problems of VEP7 - on this forum and elsewhere.
I'm disappointed because VEP is a mission critical software for a lot of professionals. This should be the biggest focus of VSL.
Another unfortunate thing that didn't help is that the "big guys" already have 2019 Mac Pros so the pressure isn't as strong. If Apple had moved to AS without releasing the 2019 MP the story would be a lot different with much more complaints and drama.
Mostly VEP can't be beat for big projects, I'm betting in the larger setups even the fastest computers out there benefit from taking out hosting tasks from the DAW.
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I finally decided to upgrade my 2009 Mac Pro last summer. I'm not an early adopter (although I did buy the Symphonic Cube when it came out!) so I thought a couple years should be enough for all my plug-ins and VI developers to catch up so I leisurely migrated my rig to a MAC Studio. I upgraded from VEP5 to 7 only to realize now that it still doesn't support M1! I was shocked to learn that, last thing I was expecting. Should be coming out any time now...
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It certainly has the feel of abandonware at this point. Their strategy of just saying “we aren’t going to give a timeline to avoid disappointment” is just crazy - this is professional software. Even a rough quarter timeline - or a “won’t be this year” so people can plan hardware purchases…it’s just nuts. Tiny companies like audioease which aren’t likely to ever get there, I understand, but apple silicon isn’t going anywhere. My assumption at this point is that it’s basically a from scratch rewrite due to the codebase and they’re just stalling and it may never happen, which is an awful thing to assume but when there’s only endless “can’t say when” answers, hard to know what else to do. I hope that isn’t true. A setup with multiple mac studios would be so elegant.