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    @kpbenoit said:

    I'm in exactly the same boat.  If I could run an Apple Native AU plugin in the DAW (Logic for me), I could access my PC servers hosting all the samples I've used for years.  Rosetta mode is glitchy as hell for many, many things. 



    I installed a couple NVMe's in a Sonnet Echo Dual NVMe (RAID) because the Mac Studio Ultra (128 gigs RAM) can easily handle it.  I moved (re-downloaded) all my VI samples to that.  So really I don't need VEP anymore - but it sure would be nice for all the earlier work.  And because I love its organization / bundling of VI"s in one place.  Haven't hit the RAM ceiling - or come close yet - and I've done some fairly complex stuff.  But no full tilt Hollywood scores / soundtracks etc. 
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    After reading religiously this post since a few month, I was really affraid as I've just received my Mac Studio ultra and I was certain that VEP was totally Brocken.

    I've just give it a try : LogicPro M1 native (VEP AU) and VEP local server Ilok version (on the same Mac Ultra) with latest version downloaded yesterday.

    The result is not so bad

    It does work. There is some light clicks (latency @128), but it does works (orchestral template with a lot of instruments and more than 64gb of RAM usage). Clicks are disappearing when putting VEP server on top and not logic (weird).

    It is not the greatest solution, but I'm able to open my template and make some mods to olds songs.

    I can't wait to get the Silicon native version !

    In the meantime, I will stay with logic only to avoid those clicks
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    that's an advantage of using logic. You can run native and most of the plugins runs native. 

    I'm on cubase, the only option is to run completely in rosetta if I want to use VSL, and not all VST3-plugins are responsive enough. Still hoping on a VEP native release soon.
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    @kurt said:

    that's an advantage of using logic. You can run native and most of the plugins runs native. 

    I'm on cubase, the only option is to run completely in rosetta if I want to use VSL, and not all VST3-plugins are responsive enough. Still hoping on a VEP native release soon.

    To be fair, Reaper, Digital Performer, and Live can run native VST and AU’s alongside Rosetta AU’s for things like VEP. Bitwig has it’s own wrapper for non Apple Silicon ready VST’s, undoubtably a product of it’s plug in sandboxing. I would bet Studio One can as well, Cubase might be the only DAW that can’t run native VSTs if it wants to run non native plug ins as well, since the only other VST only can.  
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    I did not know, thank you for the info. 
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    I finally had to drop VEPro for the foreseeable future.

    I spent the past 4-5 weeks, between projects, working out an alternative to VEPro on the M1 so I can run DP natively, and I've settled on ipMidi and hardware I/O (VEPro or Cantabile hosting on the slave PC).  ipMidi is limited to 20 ports, but is far easier to setup and use than RTPmidi.  

    I'll see what the new year brings from VSL, but I simply could not wait any longer, and had to find a long term, reliable solution due to a heavy workload next year that I need to start preparing for now.  

    It is worth it just to run DP natively (significantly better performance vs DP-Rosetta).  I also can't assume the next version of VEPro will be stable enough for demanding work out of the gate.  It could be months before VEPro-native is an option, if the MAS plugin is even available upon first release.  

    This took a lot of time to reconfigure and test, and time is money.  It also comes with a significant hardware investment for the necessary I/O.  I know it is "old school", but it works very well.  
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    It's high on our list, but I can't give you an ETA - it usually only causes disappointment when things don't go as planned. 

    But rest assured that we're on it!

    Best, 
    Paul

    That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?

    Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!

    Thank you
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    @Tomboman said:

    That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?

    Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!

    Thank you

    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/vsl-synchron-piano-and-apple-m1-confirmed-bug.133865/post-5252224

    It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.
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    @andy1044 said:

    https://vi-control.net/community/threads/vsl-synchron-piano-and-apple-m1-confirmed-bug.133865/post-5252224

    It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.

    Oh great, that sounds good. Thank you very much!
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    Halleluja - that would be fantastic . . . HAPPY NEW YEAR 2023 .... long live Apple Silicon  and ViennaSL.
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    Glad it's being worked on!

    I just figured out that this is the reason why most of my VST3 plugins weren't showing up in Studio One.
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    Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!"  haha.  One can dream....
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    @evang42 said:

    Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!"  haha.  One can dream....

    LOL... +1

    frustrating... isn't it? 😞
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    Just my every few month check in.  Still ok without it, but I haven't done any of the really big stuff yet.  And fortunately a lot of my instrument settings/setups were saved - so I can run 'em as a plugin (Ivory, Trillium, Omnisphere, newer Spitfire etc) and some inside Kontakt. Everything would be easier if VEP worked.  It's been fun learning work arounds and the capabilities of this machine (Mac Studio Ultra / 128 RAM).   Pretty astonishing. 
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    Just got my Mac Studio! The only thing keeping me back is the native VEP MAS plugin. Hopefully this will be the month..
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    I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do. 

    VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it. 
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    @afterlight said:

    I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do. 

    VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it. 

    Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once. 

     Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now. 
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    I check this page at least once a week.  I always thought VSL was one of the better tech companies, not so much any more.  I would have been so happy if they rolled it out in phases, all I need is the VST plugin to be native.  I, like many other people, host all the samples on a PC.  So I only need the bridge to be native.  Then of course they could have rolled out the host software later.

     

    That seems like such a simple concept, but here we are...still waiting...
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    @Michael Canavan said:

    Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once. 

     Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now. 

    Developing a stable VST3 host that plays well with most VST3 plugins isn't easy apparently. A lot of developers dislike the VST3 standard and the forced transition to it was very problematic for many of them. 

    For me VEP doesn't inspire much confidence lately. After the switch to iLok I keep seeing a lot of new issues - on top of the long-standing problems of VEP7 - on this forum and elsewhere.

    I'm disappointed because VEP is a mission critical software for a lot of professionals. This should be the biggest focus of VSL.

    Another unfortunate thing that didn't help is that the "big guys" already have 2019 Mac Pros so the pressure isn't as strong. If Apple had moved to AS without releasing the 2019 MP the story would be a lot different with much more complaints and drama.
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    @rockdude9k said:

    I check this page at least once a week.  I always thought VSL was one of the better tech companies, not so much any more.  I would have been so happy if they rolled it out in phases, all I need is the VST plugin to be native.  I, like many other people, host all the samples on a PC.  So I only need the bridge to be native.  Then of course they could have rolled out the host software later.

     

    That seems like such a simple concept, but here we are...still waiting...

    To their credit, on top of VST3, GUIs for modern times, and Apple Silicon.... VSL also recently had to switch from eLicenser to iLok. They IMO shot themselves in the foot inadvertently by not doing VST3 earlier, at least one port would be out of the way. 

      the main WTF? moment though is as you state, them not porting the plug in over ASAP. This is IMO a huge financial loss to them since people would have bought the software just to use depreciated or incompatible VSTs on a server machine while running the VEP AU, MAS or VST3 plug in, in their DAW.