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@ Donethur:
Set the Field "Content Editor" in your user profile (Register "Communication") to "Enhanced" instead of "plain text". This enables you to write paragraphs.
And If I my quote you:
...music is something to love, not to hate.
Well said, I agree 100%.
This is something we all should keep in mind. No matter which particular composer we prefer.
@Donethur said:
Paul, do you have better tracks than Zimmer?, can I hear one of those?, that would be interesting to hear.
Here's one of his that's better than Zimmer. I've heard others of his. Though Paul wouldn't say that and is actually rather modest about his compositions and mainly claims to be a pianist, he is actually a very good composer.
The track sounds pretty good as a 60s/70s Americana pastiche, but it's a bit corny and cheesy.
If you honestly believe that this is better than Zimmer's Inception soundtrack then, well, the polite thing to say is that it's a matter of personal taste. A more honest thing to say is that maybe you're actually just a bit old and stuck in the past.
The thing is boys - you need to get your heads from right out of your fucking a s s holes. I can take honesty. Can you?
If you honestly think that you're going to get anywhere trying to sound like Hans then you're in for a vey long hobby program. You wanted to hear something better than fucking bull and I put up Vertigo. You just don't get it. You're morons and so predictable. You're like like all these little kids today.
No sense of history. Can't take criticism - even though it's doing you good. Can't stand it when someone tells you anything you don't agree with because you're immature. Had no musical education. Fuck me - my cat can play better than most of you when he's running up and down the keyboard. In fact - there's an American cat on Youtube that plays better than most of you people!
Are you two f u c kers friends of Trevor!
PaulR - Is this directed at me? I don't sound anything like Hans as it happens. In fact, my ideal form of music is actually late 60s pop - harmonies, twangy guitars and baroque overtones. I got into instrumental/orchestral music because that's what paid the bills when I got into library music. I've quite got to like it now though, and I'm going to have a go at writing an orchestral symphony next year. It might be no good, but we'll see. I've written for and recorded a lot of live string and choir sessions in the last few years so I've developed some scoring chops.
And as for no sense of history - I've studied my baroque counterpoints, early music, choral religious music, Bulgarian choral music. I'm no dope.
Anyway maybe your comment has nothing to do with me, lol. It doesn't exactly read like it's a response to anything I've said so maybe you're talking to someone else? Ho ho.
that's a bit mean donethur.
all this does make you wonder though. is this whole debate just a generational thing? a paradigm shift? like when reggae replaced rock in Africa in the 70s (I knew a very angry Nigerian who was put out of work by reggae, seriously). When Elvis replaced Bing Crosby. The Beatles replaced Elvis. Like when Einstein (Zimmer), replaced Newton (Herrmann). Ho ho, just my little joke.
I remember reading one of Plato's books (might have been the Republic) where an old guy was complaining about the younger degenerates who didn't remember the old ways and didn't have the respect they did. This was written in 380 BC, which kind of makes it look like generational shifts have always been there, rather than the possibility that we have indeed been degenerating consistently since the dawn of time.
@PaulR said:
In fact - there's an American cat on Youtube that plays better than most of you people!
I find that hard to believe. An American cat?
All the best.
I wish Billy wouldn't do that. Being English I suffer from any kind of exposure and that causes a great deal of embarrassment. And besides, that was done years ago and I still have trouble making samples sound any good. I prefer photography. BUT - none of you younger imbeciles know what constitutes art or a good film or a good score. You HAVE to have a benchmark. You CANNOT have HZ as your benchmark and expect to LIVE!
You cretins seem to be under the impression that just because you like something then it must be GOOD! Wow - that's a serious criteria. I like it - so IT MUST BE GOOD!
I would put off playing bubonic plague roulette this weekend to hear about the late 60's.!!! Especially from anyone born 3 hours ago. Yeah!
Someone fetch Trevor!!!
Anyways, the piece that William linked to was indeed very beautiful, and although I lack the knowledge and skills necessary to compose something like that myself, I can tell that you are quite skilled.
That's kind and also irrevlevant to this thread and unforgivable of William actually. But I could teach you to do that stuff in 10 minutes if you're a good player.
I would have just one thing to request
@Donethur said:
that is why I wont discuss about musical terms to talk about subjective concepts
Please refer to this article which shows exactly how many composers have deliberately brought the audience to catharsis through definite use of skillful composing, in other words, they knew what made music interesting. http://www.brainmusic.org/MBB91%20Webpage/Sloboda_1991.pdf
The article details the methods used especially appogiatura. The Zimmer piece was great, I am going to go fire up my Vienna Symphonic Libraray and have a go at it! I can hardly wait to see if I can do better!
@dagmarpiano said:
The older stuff is better to listen to and has more artistic merit.
Here's what John A Slobada found in his research-somewhat small sample-when asked by listeners to give specific examples of 'moving' or emotional, or 'makes shivers up my spine' in musical passages.
1. Harmony descending cycle of fifths to tonic
2. Melodic appogiaturas
3. Melodic or hoarmonic sequence
4. Enharmonic change
5. Harmonic or melodic acceleration to cadence
6 Delay of final cadence
7. New or unprepared harmony
8. Sudden or dynamic or textural change
9. Repeated syncopation
10. prominent event earlier than prepared for
The whole article is here
http://www.brainmusic.org/MBB91%20Webpage/Sloboda_1991.pdf
@Donethur said:
emotion that his tracks contribute to films
Other writers here have commented on your use of the word emotion and it is quite maddening to read your posts --not sure why I do but you seem to be dominating this thread-- when you keep using terms that are so very vastly general so as to include half the universe of discourse-. Please[:@]
I beg you
be more specific than to just say emotion
What emotion?
Love? Hate? Anger? Joy? Sorrow? Excitement?
There are about 50 synonyms for each of those words; can you find something specific? Help!
Oops, just noticed you are not an English speaker originally, you should have said so from the get-go.
Sigh[8-)]
Man, your line of BS is so well-rehearsed many of us could phone it in for you. Do exercise your hobbyhorse ONE MORE TIME, though. [um]@Errikos said:
Dietz please don't lock this wonderful, stimulating thread yet, I just can't reply right now, I promise to do it tomorrow as early as I can...
Somebody pop some corn.
So now Hans Zimmer has replaced all the "old" composers.
Well, dog-gone it, I thought Bernard Herrmann was pretty darn good. But he's not current, so he can't be. I see now. With your reading of Plato you've cleared it all up. Thanks.
Hey, wait a minute! What are we going to do with Mozart? Or J.S. Bach? Those guys are ANCIENT! They must be TERRIBLE...