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    @sirbellog said:

    Speaking of the fast repetitions, this is something I never used, because I can't see how to really benefit of them :

    they indeed seem just like short phrases to me (like the drum loops used to be), and their fixed tempo is quite a limitation, making it almost imopossible to use in a "natural" way outside the given tempo.....

    unless I misunderstand their purpose, and maybe have missed something important in the VI engine which can control them more satisfactoryly.

    So can you, or someone else, tell me how they are intended to be used ? 

    Actually, you'll fid that they are very useful. If you want fast upbeats of various sorts no player would play them exactly at the tempo and would usually play them faster. There are enough different tempi available that they cover most needs. I use them quite often.

    Of course if it really worries you, they can always be timestretched.

    DG
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    It's called Standard Plus library and not Extended Plus library, therefor only instruments of the Standard library are included.

    The fast repetitions are extremely useful for fast double, triple or quatruple repetitions .

    At a fast speed and only using a few repetitions the samples are have a lot of flexebility and don't have to match exactly a certain BPM speed.

    Also it's very difficult to perform fast repetitions on a keyboard. (it's pretty easy for a string or wind instrument), so this is maybe the only chance for many keyboard players to perform fast repetitions easely on a keyboard.

    best

    Herb
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    @CplusE said:

    Prices do seem off for some. But only thing i could come up with is all the new server hardware and storage to make the download possible. For all the users. Compare to this website. That going to be a project in itself. Maybe that where all the extra money is going. Just an idea. Funny the older you get the more xmas present you have to buy yourself. Well the good stuff you want. lol
     

    To me (and to my wallet) it's worth to wait for a boxed (= cheaper) version.

    Drive safe: bad times on the horizon...

    [;)]
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    @CplusE said:

    Prices do seem off for some. But only thing i could come up with is all the new server hardware and storage to make the download possible. For all the users. Compare to this website. That going to be a project in itself. Maybe that where all the extra money is going. Just an idea. Funny the older you get the more xmas present you have to buy yourself. Well the good stuff you want. lol
    I don't think the cost for putting up the downloads would be a much of factor if any at all. They already have a web site with downloading going on.
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    @CplusE said:

    Prices do seem off for some. But only thing i could come up with is all the new server hardware and storage to make the download possible. For all the users. Compare to this website. That going to be a project in itself. Maybe that where all the extra money is going. Just an idea. Funny the older you get the more xmas present you have to buy yourself. Well the good stuff you want. lol
     

    To me (and to my wallet) it's worth to wait for a boxed (= cheaper) version.

    Drive safe: bad times on the horizon...

     

    Camolino!  The is the second time you've said that you are going to wait for the BOXED SE+ and yet NO ONE has said that VSL is going to release a BOXED SE+. Has someone from VSL told you that they are going to release a BOXED SE+, or are you just speculating this?

    Brian 
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    ETA on when they'll be ready for download?
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    I just hope that prior to the release of the "revisited" guitars, new audio demos showing the new possibilities/samples/patches, will be posted !

    The Upright sounds very nice, and i'll very ikely buy it, but before "upgrading" from Horizon to Classical and Overdrive VI, I'd like to be sure that it's a real improvement.

    I also secretly hope that XMAs time may bring a "time-limited" special offer for all those downloadable instruments....  
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    I was hoping that VSL might launch the Overdrive VI complete with 'unprocessed' patches - this would have made it much more versatile IMO but alas, it looks like that's not the case. Still looks a pretty reasonable price though.
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    I totally agree. Why on earth would I (or anybody) want just one sound? - rather like releasing a synth with just one preset and no knobs! Also, running DI'd or preamped signals into amp/ cab sims creates very realistic results anyway - as note transitions get blurred etc ... even simple home made guitar sample instruments can sound quite realistic (where they sound very fake listened to 'dry'). So if you could get all the VI wizardry (legato etc) paying into an amp/cab sim you would have a very realistic instrument indeed - and a flexible (ie USEFUL) one too!

    Guitar sounds are a matter of taste and I personally can't stand the VSL electric guitar sound - no offence! [:)] Even if I loved it I would not want to use the same sound over and over on every project! Maybe there is a target market for it and I am just not in it - ie I own and play a guitar, I make guitar based music and I have amp sims already - it's probably not desingned for someone like me.

    I don't mean to complain - I still love VSL ...  [:#]

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    Hi,

    we´re using Overdrive with different amp simulators all the time - you can bend the sound into man directions. 

    And the killer feature is still the range of this guitar [:)]

    Best,

    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    In spite of reading the thread and the official informations one question is still left for me:

    If I understand the download conditions right : either I can hire some articulations for a monthly amount or I can buy the license for whole standard plus edition for 460,- EUR.

    Is there a way to combine both conditions? If one rents a package of 5 articulations for a year he pays more than the price for the whole package. Can the price for renting be deducted (maybe a percental amount) from the price for the whole package in some way?

    Sorry if I had missed something and thanks for your help!

    Best,

    Rainer
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    @RLeutert_14950 said:

    either I can hire some articulations for a monthly amount or I can buy the license for whole standard plus edition
     

    No, renting is not involved.  You either buy the package all at once, or you buy the package over time; either way, you end up with the whole package.

    See Herb's reply to my question about this, where I confirmed that renting is not what's on offer: 
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     Ok, I think I get it now.

    1) There are 54 packages

    2) you 'subscribe'  to one package a month [for example]

    3) For the first month you get Package A01

    4) The next month you, as well as keeping package A01, recieve package A02 for download. 

    5) And so on.

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    6) That's really cool. 

    BUT: It's not possible to download say, "1st violins, flute and trumpet" together, no? It has to be in the listed order? I.e. A01, A02, etc...?

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    thank you, fcw,

    my english isn´t as good as many years ago...    now I understand!

    That´s much better than I thought... can´t wait.
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    @Another User said:

    my english isn´t as good as many years ago...    now I understand

    Ich wuerde wetten dass es besser als mein Deutsch ist.
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    @Banquo said:

     Ok, I think I get it now.

    1) There are 54 packages

    2) you 'subscribe'  to one package a month [for example]

    3) For the first month you get Package A01

    4) The next month you, as well as keeping package A01, recieve package A02 for download. 

    5) And so on.

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    6) That's really cool. 

    BUT: It's not possible to download say, "1st violins, flute and trumpet" together, no? It has to be in the listed order? I.e. A01, A02, etc...?

    Of course the one package a month option is pretty silly (if you don't add aditional packages each month) because with 54/56 packages it would take 4 years and 6/8 months to get the entire collection which I'm sure would be outdated by that time as VSL will probably have moved on to another product line.

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    well, i'd say the packages are configured in a well considered order to allow you doing *something* from the first package on.

     

    moving to the new product line (Vienna Instruments) was compelling from my point of view, because the samplers and further options for the (midi based) performance tool have reached a certain limit (especially if features should be the same for all platforms).

    eg. the opus bundle still allows good work to be done, but extending it to the functionality of say the special edition is not realistic.

     

    some of you have been not too enthusiastic to see a proprietary format arriving with the new prduct line, but this allows further development based on controllable conditions without dependencies on third party engines/samplers/features. means i'm pretty confident we will see the Vienna Instruments format at least as long as the formats for the *old* sample libraries.

     

    so time will tell if the 1 package subscription is useful for someone or not - imagine pupils or students who often have to be careful spending their money ....

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Hi Christian,

    I apologize if my previous post insulted VSL.  I did not mean to make your 1 package a month subscription service seem like an unusable option.  I love all my VSL purchases and recommend them to all who ask me about sampling products! I completely agree with your comment on the VI interface.  It is so well designed, easy to use, and geared for composers who want beautiful playback without having to fool around with less intuitive 3rd party samplers that I can easily see how VI has a longevity to it.

    I'm foremost a composer rather than an engineer, and to me the SOUND is CRITICAL.  By today's standards VSL has some of the most sonicly compelling samples available (of course, only if you have a decent convolution reverb).  However, I do not for a moment think that VSL will still be releasing 44.1kHz/24-bit samples 5 years from now, regardless of the interface.  I can't image what computer technology is going to be like in 5 years, but the current restrictions in ram, processing, and disk streaming that limits your sample library resolution to 44.1kHz/24-bit I'm sure will not be a problem in the future.  If VSL hasn't upgraded the resolution of their library by then they will probably be well behind their competitors.  Furthermore, any person with ears that decides to purchase a 1 package a month subscription this year of 44.1kHz/24-bit samples will no doubt notice a dramatic difference in sound quality when compared to the newer libraries of 2012. I'm just trying to imagine what it would be like to still be excited about getting 44.1kHz/24-bit "Tuba Performance-Repetition" samples in 2012. 

    Brian

    P.S. VSL IS STILL THE BEST! 
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    no insult at all ... you're right, computer technology is evolving, sometimes incredibly fast.

    i remember some years ago there have been long discussions about the question if one can *hear* the difference between 16 and 24 bit and i often hear statements like *sampler A sounds better than sampler B*, even with identical source of data. so there is clearly more involved than bits and kHz ...

    currently it seems the efforts are mostly related to get all instruments into a single computer rather than to use farms, but who knows ... the next (at least fo me) logical step to 24/96 would increase data to more than twice the amount, maybe we don't care about it in a few years ...

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    WHEN?!