I for one recently decided to finally crossgrade my good old Opus to SE full, and am expecting the delivery soon. 

And I was at first enthusiast about the release of this SE Standard +, because of repetitions and "new" articulations....

But, reading the content more carefully,

I'm now a bit surprised and sad to see what "SE Standard +" actually offers for 460€  (same price as the SE Extended library, and only for the "all packages at once" option) :

In fact, "Standard +" is indeed the right name, unfortunately, because it has only extra articulations for the SE standard instruments....

(and some of those articulations are just "basic" ones, like the (short) detache 0,3s, which were part of the old Opus 1, and are missing in SE for some mysterious reason)

Okay,

this makes some kind of sense because it is intended partly for subscribers who get just the standard library. But in their case, it's IMO a bit pricy....

But what about "full SE" users who are warmly invited on the product's page to join the buy of this extra package ?

Does it mean that they have to also expect an "SE Extended +" later on, at €460 once again for download, just to get the the same level of articulations for their Extended lib instruments ?

My opinion : a lower price would be wiser for the "standard only +" expansion.

And €460 would be a more realistic price for the "extended+standard +" one.... 

Unless maybe an "SE Part 2" V.I on dvd is planned, which would offer a Standard + lib, and an Extended + lib, preferably at way less than €920....

In this case, it would be good to know..... 

More than 85% of the sample content in SE-Standard+ is new content, because the major part are the performance-repetitions, which were never included in any Opus product or in SE, and these were the most wanted samples for many users. 

SE-Standard and SE-Standard+ do offer now 65.000 samples. (plus 38,000 samples in SE-Extended)

best

Herb

Hello Herb,

thanks for the comments.

Be sure that I do respect your work, and the quality of your libraries.

And I do appreciate that the perf reps -leg & spicc- are provided in this package.

It's simply that I'm a bit frustrated that all the "common" instruments on the extended library (winds and brass mainly) are left out of this upgrade path....

Speaking of the fast repetitions, this is something I never used, because I can't see how to really benefit of them :

they indeed seem just like short phrases to me (like the drum loops used to be), and their fixed tempo is quite a limitation, making it almost imopossible to use in a "natural" way outside the given tempo.....

unless I misunderstand their purpose, and maybe have missed something important in the VI engine which can control them more satisfactoryly.

So can you, or someone else, tell me how they are intended to be used ? 

@sirbellog said:

Speaking of the fast repetitions, this is something I never used, because I can't see how to really benefit of them :

they indeed seem just like short phrases to me (like the drum loops used to be), and their fixed tempo is quite a limitation, making it almost imopossible to use in a "natural" way outside the given tempo.....

unless I misunderstand their purpose, and maybe have missed something important in the VI engine which can control them more satisfactoryly.

So can you, or someone else, tell me how they are intended to be used ? 

It's called Standard Plus library and not Extended Plus library, therefor only instruments of the Standard library are included.

The fast repetitions are extremely useful for fast double, triple or quatruple repetitions .

At a fast speed and only using a few repetitions the samples are have a lot of flexebility and don't have to match exactly a certain BPM speed.

Also it's very difficult to perform fast repetitions on a keyboard. (it's pretty easy for a string or wind instrument), so this is maybe the only chance for many keyboard players to perform fast repetitions easely on a keyboard.

best

Herb

@CplusE said:

Prices do seem off for some. But only thing i could come up with is all the new server hardware and storage to make the download possible. For all the users. Compare to this website. That going to be a project in itself. Maybe that where all the extra money is going. Just an idea. Funny the older you get the more xmas present you have to buy yourself. Well the good stuff you want. lol

To me (and to my wallet) it's worth to wait for a boxed (= cheaper) version.

Drive safe: bad times on the horizon...

[;)]

@CplusE said:

Prices do seem off for some. But only thing i could come up with is all the new server hardware and storage to make the download possible. For all the users. Compare to this website. That going to be a project in itself. Maybe that where all the extra money is going. Just an idea. Funny the older you get the more xmas present you have to buy yourself. Well the good stuff you want. lol

@CplusE said:

Prices do seem off for some. But only thing i could come up with is all the new server hardware and storage to make the download possible. For all the users. Compare to this website. That going to be a project in itself. Maybe that where all the extra money is going. Just an idea. Funny the older you get the more xmas present you have to buy yourself. Well the good stuff you want. lol

To me (and to my wallet) it's worth to wait for a boxed (= cheaper) version.

Drive safe: bad times on the horizon...

Camolino!  The is the second time you've said that you are going to wait for the BOXED SE+ and yet NO ONE has said that VSL is going to release a BOXED SE+. Has someone from VSL told you that they are going to release a BOXED SE+, or are you just speculating this?

Brian 

ETA on when they'll be ready for download?

I just hope that prior to the release of the "revisited" guitars, new audio demos showing the new possibilities/samples/patches, will be posted !

The Upright sounds very nice, and i'll very ikely buy it, but before "upgrading" from Horizon to Classical and Overdrive VI, I'd like to be sure that it's a real improvement.

I also secretly hope that XMAs time may bring a "time-limited" special offer for all those downloadable instruments....  

I totally agree. Why on earth would I (or anybody) want just one sound? - rather like releasing a synth with just one preset and no knobs! Also, running DI'd or preamped signals into amp/ cab sims creates very realistic results anyway - as note transitions get blurred etc ... even simple home made guitar sample instruments can sound quite realistic (where they sound very fake listened to 'dry'). So if you could get all the VI wizardry (legato etc) paying into an amp/cab sim you would have a very realistic instrument indeed - and a flexible (ie USEFUL) one too!

Guitar sounds are a matter of taste and I personally can't stand the VSL electric guitar sound - no offence! [:)] Even if I loved it I would not want to use the same sound over and over on every project! Maybe there is a target market for it and I am just not in it - ie I own and play a guitar, I make guitar based music and I have amp sims already - it's probably not desingned for someone like me.

I don't mean to complain - I still love VSL ...  [:#]

Hi,

we´re using Overdrive with different amp simulators all the time - you can bend the sound into man directions. 

And the killer feature is still the range of this guitar [:)]

Best,

Paul 

In spite of reading the thread and the official informations one question is still left for me:

If I understand the download conditions right : either I can hire some articulations for a monthly amount or I can buy the license for whole standard plus edition for 460,- EUR.

Is there a way to combine both conditions? If one rents a package of 5 articulations for a year he pays more than the price for the whole package. Can the price for renting be deducted (maybe a percental amount) from the price for the whole package in some way?

Sorry if I had missed something and thanks for your help!

Best,

Rainer

@RLeutert_14950 said:

either I can hire some articulations for a monthly amount or I can buy the license for whole standard plus edition

No, renting is not involved.  You either buy the package all at once, or you buy the package over time; either way, you end up with the whole package.

See Herb's reply to my question about this, where I confirmed that renting is not what's on offer: 

 Ok, I think I get it now.

1) There are 54 packages

2) you 'subscribe'  to one package a month [for example]

3) For the first month you get Package A01

4) The next month you, as well as keeping package A01, recieve package A02 for download. 

5) And so on.

...

6) That's really cool. 

BUT: It's not possible to download say, "1st violins, flute and trumpet" together, no? It has to be in the listed order? I.e. A01, A02, etc...?

thank you, fcw,

my english isn´t as good as many years ago...    now I understand!

That´s much better than I thought... can´t wait.

@Another User said:

my english isn´t as good as many years ago...    now I understand

Ich wuerde wetten dass es besser als mein Deutsch ist.

@Banquo said:

 Ok, I think I get it now.

1) There are 54 packages

2) you 'subscribe'  to one package a month [for example]

3) For the first month you get Package A01

4) The next month you, as well as keeping package A01, recieve package A02 for download. 

5) And so on.

...

6) That's really cool. 

BUT: It's not possible to download say, "1st violins, flute and trumpet" together, no? It has to be in the listed order? I.e. A01, A02, etc...?

Of course the one package a month option is pretty silly (if you don't add aditional packages each month) because with 54/56 packages it would take 4 years and 6/8 months to get the entire collection which I'm sure would be outdated by that time as VSL will probably have moved on to another product line.