@William said:

"This thread is not meant for your aggressive personal polemics but about how to improve the Synchron Strings." - fahl5

This is incredible! I tried to be nice to this guy but he has gone off the deep end.  

fahl5 - every single thing you ever write is arrogant, self-centered egotism.  You pretend to be talking about music, but every time you are posting here you disparage anyone who irritates you as "beginner" or an idiot.  

You are utterly incapable of talking on an equal basis to Guy Bacos who OBLITERATES YOU as a MIDI programmer and musician.  You can't even come close.  And on top of that he is a great composer and YOU DON'T EVEN COMPOSE.     Stop acting like you are god's gift to music.  There are people here who are so far beyond you that you have no concept.  You are an amateur, right?  Does somebody pay you for that website you say is the greatest thing in sampling in your signature?  Do you get paid?  Guess what - the other people here do get paid, to create music.  They are professionals and you are an amateur with a big mouth.  

I am saying this not as a typical internet over-the-top statement, but as a serious, simple statement of an obvious fact - you are mentally ill.  In your brain no one exists except as a tool for your ego.  You are in fact psychopathic, because that is the definition of "psychopath" - someone who doesn't essentially care about anyone else but who simply uses them for a self-centered purpose. That is you precisely.  I actually have never encountered anyone as disgustingly egotistical as you - on the internet or off.

Now start with your sarcasm, long-winded endless diatribe against me, accompanied by stupid little emoticons and fractured, abuse-of-language sentences.  I don't give a rat's ass about you or your responses.  You are poison.

 

VSL - I am sorry for this post and I won't write any more, but this guy is insulting everyone on this Forum on a regular basis.  

I raise a pint to you, Bill.  Strongly worded, but absolutely necessary (after years of ongoing drama).  Thank you for having the courage to say this.  Now, hopefully, this ends the drama and we can begin a fresh chapter, where musicians and hobbyists encourage, educate, and empower each other to greater success.  Cheers to all those who share their talents and knowledge in a welcoming manner here on the VSL forum!

@LAJ said:

Mal im erst ... warum machst du das mit? Wenn ich du wäre ... DIE KÖNNTEN MICH ALLE!

Ich mache das ja gerade nicht mit. Ich teile einfach was ich mache und versuche die Diskussionen möglichst sachbezogen und möglichst wenig emotionsbezogen zu halten. Ich denke das hat VSL verdient die wirklich nach wie vor aussergewöhnliches Leisten. Aber ab einem gewissen Punkt hast du recht, ist das was die hier treiben wirklich nicht mehr mein Problem. Aber da ich unsere Pappenheimer ja kenne beeindruckt mich derlei auch nicht so sehr, als dass es mich von irgendetwas abhalten würde.

P.S.: ich fürchte was die am meisten wurmt, ist wohl das Gefühl, dass ich das Komponieren zumindest so wie es heute von vielen (hier) betrieben wird wirklich schon lange nicht mehr unbedingt als die interessanteste Herausforderung in der Musik ansehe. O Gott gleich kommt wieder der Arroganzvorwurf falls einer von denen des Deutschen mächtig ist.

Aber ist doch lustig, was für ein Gegacker im Hühnerstall aufkommt, wenn man einfach dann und wann mal an das Thema des Threads erinnert.

@ non german speaking members

OK Folks thanks to the most intellectual brilliant and constructive contributions from Acclarion, William and Guy Bacos we all know now excactly what should be improved in Synchron Strings. Great Discussion! That is the way only real 'Proffessionals' (or how ever you call those who still depend on getting payed for what they do) are able to discuss!

@kamil said:

Ffahl5 ... Ik denk niet dat er reden is voor dit debat.

Google translate 😜.


"I do not think there is any reason for this debate to be so."
With my all respect to you all.

Regards ,
Yasir

You are absolutly right 👍

Not worth it.

Since Synchron Strings are imho defenitly "worth" to be improved here are some of my suggestions what I think might improve the Synchron Strings.

- I fear one of the most important aspects to work on are the default settings, that means what a user hear, when just loading the Library without any individual tweaks or adjustments.

- why for instance does nearly all EQ's emphazise exclusivly the higher ranges, while supressing nearly always a good part of the original basis of the tone?

- why for instance should the first available legatotype be"soft" which might be nice for very slow tempos but does not sound that convincing in normal tempo especially compared to normal. Why forinstance is the "auto speed" not the default Legato making sure that withouit any tweaks the Legato would be the mostz appropriate for the certain tempo played?

- Why is Lyrical Vibrato the default setting, which agaion might be great for low dynamic and/or slow movement, while the regulare Vibrato seems to me in most other cases much nearer to what one might expect as kind of default sound.

- I know the first Volume is nothing but the first step of what will come and I also know that even if we are used to look for the whole range of different Articulationtypes VSL has ever provided and often do not expect that many Subtypes in Synchron strings are already integrated in the behavior of the existing Patches. Nerverthe less. I currently see the following "gaps" which might be wort to complete

- Of course con sordino, harmonics and sul pont should and will proably come in further Volumes.

- The Dynamics and Sfz and non legatlo patches are currently restricted on kind of extreme types, which for themself are great (the "supershort" are brrilliant!) but still dont cover the need of more moderated types

- non legato and Portato patches still seem to be usefull

- more sustained Sfz would be great

- the long cres. and decresc. are impressing for themself but in normal use types of different length and of course different shorter seem to me much more needed.

- I still love very much the realism and usability of the old pfp patches in different length, which currently could only be replaced by meticoulus CC Expression + Vel-Xfade Editing

- And Yes I would like to have another  kind of more passionate Vibrato like we have even two more in the Appasionata strings. I do not miss the large section size, but those more intensive vibratos would be a great addition.

Just my humble opinion what I like to see worked on in future updates and/or further Releases.

@kamil said:

Ffahl5 ... Ik denk niet dat er reden is voor dit debat.

Google translate 😜.


"I do not think there is any reason for this debate to be so."
With my all respect to you all.

Regards ,
Yasir

You are absolutly right 👍

Dear Fabio,

This topic is called " How to improve Synchron Strings I?"

Do not disgrrace your self with simply ignoring that.

@kamil said:

Ffahl5 ... Ik denk niet dat er reden is voor dit debat.

Google translate 😜.


"I do not think there is any reason for this debate to be so."
With my all respect to you all.

Regards ,
Yasir

You are absolutly right 👍

+1, spot on. As is William.

Unfortunately I think only VSL can improve SyS - and that will require huge amounts of new recordings. Let's face it, it's not gonna happen. But hey, sometime in the future they will do another string library with the same "bread and butter" articulations and hopefully it will turn out better! Maybe even an upcoming sordino strings library will be performed with less attention to "perfection" and with a better working legato concept. Not holding my breath but I won't rule it out. And I think they are working on sordinos, right?

@fahl5 said:

Dear Fabio,

This topic is called " How to improve Synchron Strings I?"

Do not disgrrace your self with simply ignoring that.

I can see why you don't like this thread turning into a Steffen Fahl bash fest. But trying to reverse it acting like a policeman in here will not make you feel better. So why not just ignore the plethora of anti-Steffen posts and stick to posting about the subject matter.

@fahl5 said:

Dear Fabio,

This topic is called " How to improve Synchron Strings I?"

Do not disgrrace your self with simply ignoring that.

@fahl5 said:

Dear Fabio,

This topic is called " How to improve Synchron Strings I?"

Do not disgrrace your self with simply ignoring that.

I can see why you don't like this thread turning into a Steffen Fahl bash fest. But trying to reverse it acting like a policeman in here will not make you feel better. So why not just ignore the plethora of anti-Steffen posts and stick to posting about the subject matter.

Dear Fabio if your well "education" and "profesisonal interest" dont reach further than to share your personal aggrresions for other, than please open your own bashing thread. Obviously here are enough "professionals" who have "professional" as they are nothing better to do and will be happy to join it.

Did you seriously think there is any need to answer your weird personal insults when the question here is about Synchron Strings.

@Simon Ravn said:

So why not just ignore the plethora of anti-Steffen posts and stick to posting about the subject matter.

I already did just reacting on your last for good reasons self deleted posting. And as "professional" all currently active members here are. None of them even you obviously were not able to answered only ón one single suggestion. But prefer bashing me now just for I reminded everybody how this thread is called.

Wow what a rude and horrobloe arrogant crime to remind the Topic of this thread. Of course again will someone comment in a long posting how arrogant this is and further "intelligent professionals" of that type will reply with their +1 to underline how real arrogant and cruel it is to remind the Topic and how much this deserves to get bashed as fierce as ever possible.

Is that ("kindergarden" as Dietzu will presumably put it) really what you think this Forum is about. Is that what you really think is of Benefit for anyone at all.

Wake up show that you are already a reasonable adult and are able to reflect on what really might help before posting.

@Simon Ravn said:

Unfortunately I think only VSL can improve SyS - and that will require huge amounts of new recordings. Let's face it, it's not gonna happen.

I certainly wouldn't settle for that.

When I am commissioned for a project and the client thinks it needs rework --whatever the reason, we talk about it and I usually get back to said project, according to what was discussed. Sometimes I feel the client is wrong because they don't know much about music. But they pay me, I deliver.

I don't think VSL has ever released a product that raised so many eyebrows. Those who voiced their concerns here and elsewhere spent money, sometimes long before the product was released. Lots of them have already had the chance to use a few other strings libraries, and thus usually provide VSL with informed, knowledgeable feedback. Sadly, what they have been getting in return so far is silence, and in my view an opportunity to raise more eyebrows (Synchronized Chamber Strings). 

The competition aside, everyone wants Synchron Strings to be a great product, which at this point I think it is not. Almost all of their other libraries are, and the rest of the Synchron line certainly is. So yes, I hope VSL do consider recording new material that fixes the library's shortcomings, because any other approach will sound like a slap in their customers' faces.

I'm back to work!

When you can't write music and your mockups of existing works of actual musicians sound like Orchestron, I guess puffing up on forums and harassing strangers is all you got left.

@JimmyHellfire said:

When you can't write music and your mockups of existing works of actual musicians sound like Orchestron, I guess puffing up on forums and harassing strangers is all you got left.

Ok its always courageous if you talk so frankly and public about your own problems as musician you presumably want to be.

But honestly in this thread I would be much more interested, to hear your opinion about my suggestions how to improve the Synchron Strings. If you are at least able to do that.

 First, indulge a little further "off-topic" discussion:  Fahl5 actually banned my IP address from his website! lol  Seriously.  If anyone doubted the authenticity of William's "analysis" of Fahl's character, read the following:  Malignant Narcissism:  Kernberg described malignant narcissism as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and egosyntonic aggression. Other symptoms may include an absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity).  Incidentally, Mr. Fahl's command of technology is as apt as his command of midi programming:  It took me all of two seconds to use a proxy server to visit his site after "being banned."  Of course, there's no reason to visit unless I want to hear, as has already been noted by others, midi renditions of beautiful music made sterile, unfeeling, and devoid of any musicality.

Now to keep it "subject-based":

Everything about Synchron Strings, positive and negative, has been stated ad nauseum on this and other forums for months.  Demos have been made, listeners have made judgments on the success or failure of said demos.  The common criticisms revolve around the quality of legato transitions and the overly synthetic sound.  VSL has not commented, and when you ask "how to improve Synchron Strings", they are the only people capable of improving them...not you, not me, nor any other user.  They know what people think, and if they believe they can improve the library, they will do so.  I suspect though, they will do it silently, behind the scenes.  They clearly are averse to any public acknowledgement of the criticism.  It's possible that they are sincerely loving the way the project turned out, and would be mercilessly bashed for expressing their satisfaction in light of the mob-like hostility.  It's also possible that they agree with the criticism, but believe that as soon as they acknowledge that, people will all be demanding refunds, credits, or other concessions.  So, I propose the discussion on improving synchron strings ends, as nothing further can develop without the VSL team taking action.

Cheers!

Dave

OMG Acclarion you do have obviously utterly no fear to disgrace yourself.