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  3. New Black Mac Pro vs last gen 12-Core MP ?
  • Cyril BlancC
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    @julian said:

    [ At the moment the 12 option looks to be particularly expensive for the performance increase - the processor upgrade alone is about the same as buying a complete new 6 core MacPro!

    The high end processors will be always VERY expensive ! And Intel will always change something so you need to change the mother board !

    A way to save money is :

    Buy the Quad core = 2999 $

    Buy the 12 core processor at ??? Newegg = 2749 $   (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925)

    Total = 5748 $

    If you buy directly the 12 core it is 6999 $ 

    So you save 6999 - 5748 = 1251 $

    You have 12 GB of memory instead of 16 GB !

    But you are taking risks, I will wait that other persons does the deal !

    Unless Apple clearly specify you can upgrade your Macpro with processors bought elsewhere, if you have problems you need to return the Macpro with the original processor !
  • W
    W

    That's an interesting idea Cyril and I am thinking that may be the way to go.
  • cmC
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    cmC

    teardown macPro

    http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Mac+Pro+Late+2013+Teardown/20778

    http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown

    confirms the CPU is sitting in a socket ... just the PCIe SSD appears to be proprietary and i wonder if the 1TB model contains 2 of those devices (completing the symmetry).

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
  • J
    J

    Hi CM,

    Do you think MIR, VE, or VI Pro will be able to utilise the GPU resources for computational tasks at some point in the future (particularly as a plug-in).

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013

    This comprehensivew review from Anandtech indicates future leaps forward will be more GPU than CPU based and that software that is able to address this will benefit most.

    Julian
  • DietzD
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    DietzD

    Hi Julian,

    "Never say never!", ;-) ... but at least in case of MIR Pro I can assure you that we have no plans to switch to GPU-processing in the forseeable future.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    PS: ... although we in fact _had_ plans for that back in 2004! (I just looked it up.) ;-D

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
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    @cm said:

    teardown macPro

    http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Mac+Pro+Late+2013+Teardown/20778

    http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown

    confirms the CPU is sitting in a socket ... just the PCIe SSD appears to be proprietary and i wonder if the 1TB model contains 2 of those devices (completing the symmetry).

    So this would mean getting the maximum  PCLe memory right now. 

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    @cm said:

    i wonder if the 1TB model contains 2 of those devices (completing the symmetry).

    It's a single module.  The Mac Pro has used all of the available PCIe lanes.  So there is no possibility without a chipset change to allow for two SSD modules.
  • W
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    As usual I am abandoning Mac for cheaper PCs.  I recently found  a Dell XPS 8700 i7 4th generation computer that maxes out to 32 gb RAM and 4 cores. So get two of them and you have an 8 core 64 gb sample player.  And the cost?  $1,700.  Compare that to the Mac Pro model.

    Julian-  I am thinking those figures in that article are very skewed.   They don't translate into real world use of CPU/RAM/processing in general.  Though on paper they are impressive.
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hi William

    You cannot compare an I7 and a Xeon processor !

    It's like comparing a Audi A6 to a Ferari !

    Best

    Cyril
  • W
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    The question is academic anyway.   
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    This is not academic, if you want to compare two processors you must compare the inside of each, the DMA channel spead ....

    Look at the price of a Xeon and to an I7, Xeon are going to more than 3000 $
  • W
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    Cyril - Yes it is completely academic. Never mind.
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    William

    You are playing a bad game sending a version of message and changing it after on the forum

    For those who are readind this thread these are the last two messages I received form  William :

    1) That's bullshit !  These are the latest i7 processors !  You cannot say that Cyril !  You are wrong ! 

    2) Cyril - Yes it is completely academic. Don't contradict me.   You  are arrogant with all your flames and exclamation points. You don't know what you are talking about concerning my system which is far beyond anything you have used.  End of discussion.

    I have been very polite with you trying to help you, because you  know a lot about music but your knowledge about computer is very low

    For me it is the contrary !

    Also when I write something I always check if I have any doubts. Wikipedia, Intel, Apple, HP pages are avery good source.

    So before contradict me and insulting me you better doubble chek that what you wrote is not wrong.

    SO I WILL REPEAT : YOU CANNOT COMPARE AN I7 PROCESSOR WITH A XEON PROCESSOR

    If you want to know all about it you go on the Intel site and put the figures of an I7 agains the figures of a Xeon. Do you know wat is the DMA ? it is the channel that acces the memory 

    The new Xeon processor came after the last I7

    There is a raison that the Xeon are sold up to 3000 $ each
  • cmC
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    cmC

    i don't understand why every mac-related discussion sooner or later must turn into a religious debate ...

    if William is happy with the *inferior* i7 for his purpose - who cares.

    if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.

     

    if i had to choose a processor i'd go with the latest i7 http://ark.intel.com/de/products/family/79318/Intel-High-End-Desktop-Processors/desktop since i'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good idea to have as much processor cache as possible.

    actually more important IMO are the 4 memory channels which the i7 also provides.

     

    having everything under one hood can be comfortable, though currently i'm not sure which audio device i had to choose for a macPro and i'm convinced i would need 3 or 4 external devices anyway.

     

    so please continue this thead in a productive manner, say hinting to mac pro related news (like thunderbolt devices) and such, otherwise i will close this thread.

    thx, cm

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Hi CM 

    May be you did not understand my words.

    You say : if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.

    This not what I mean, I say you cannot compare an I7 to a Xeon, it is normal that you can buy a computer with I7 at 1700$, but you cant get a computer with a Xeon processor at 1700$ when the processor on it's own is sold by Intel just under 3000 $

    For me I am very happy with my 12  core configuration, I have not problem to use my 100 instrument  template with very heavy scores

    Concerning using TB for audio, this is another discussion ! there are very few affordable solution availlable. Speaking to Motu lately about a TB 424 they said that they are not thinking of this for the moment.
  • D
    D

    I might be able to help with this topic in a couple of weeks time. Currently I am using a 12 core (24 thread) machine and will be taking delivery of a new 10 core (20 threads) machine very soon. I'll run one of my heavy sessions on both, and then I will be able to say how much improvement, in terms of processing power for audio, there is. Obviously my machines are Windows based machines, and in terms of spec are very different from what is included, or even possible with the new Mac Pro, but it will give some idea of processor differences between the new ones and the older models.

    What I can't help with is anything to do with 4K filming, because I have no experience with that.

    DG
  • cmC
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    @Another User said:

    if William is happy with the *inferior* i7 - who cares.

    i'm very well aware of the differences between i7 and E5 xeon (let's limit us to the IvyBridge models)

    but for most people it is just a question of sufficient outcome for reasonable money.

     http://ark.intel.com/compare/77779,75283

    i for myself would never choose an i7 for a database server, but also never an E5 xeon for a workstation - hope you get my point.

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    Mac pro article v.s. HP v.s Lenovo

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013
  • Cyril BlancC
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    @cm said:

    Hi CM

    Thanks, very interesting !

    Did you see my PM ?

    Best

    Cyril