8 core x 3 ghz = 24
12 core x 2.7 ghz = 32.4
If you have a large orchestral template it's better to have a 12 core !
Upgrading a CPU is not a good idea you will pay a lot more !
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8 core x 3 ghz = 24
12 core x 2.7 ghz = 32.4
If you have a large orchestral template it's better to have a 12 core !
Upgrading a CPU is not a good idea you will pay a lot more !
well of course it is better to have 12 core. It would be better to have a Cray Quantum Computer with a Multiverse Internet Connection.
But I was talking about saving just a little money. Never mind. I will figure it out by myself. A better way to work anyway.
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8 core x 3 ghz = 24
12 core x 2.7 ghz = 32.4
If you have a large orchestral template it's better to have a 12 core !
Upgrading a CPU is not a good idea you will pay a lot more !
well of course it is better to have 12 core. It would be better to have a Cray Quantum Computer with a Multiverse Internet Connection.
But I was talking about saving just a little money. Never mind. I will figure it out by myself. A better way to work anyway.
I think there may definitely be a case for buying a 4 core or 6 core MacPro and in 18 months to 24 months swapping out the CPU. By then you may be able to get a 12 core with a higher clock speed than the current offerings for well under half the price. At the moment the 12 option looks to be particularly expensive for the performance increase - the processor upgrade alone is about the same as buying a complete new 6 core MacPro!
Unless you are urgently needing a new computer it may be worth waiting a couple of months then speaking with OWC http://eshop.macsales.com about the viability of future upgrades.
Julian
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Thanks Julian that sounds like a good idea. I am just leery of going for the "ultimate" system simply because it is advertised that way.
I remember hearing about the Synclavier. It was the "ultimate" sampler. It cost more than $100,000 and used a mainframe.
Today a small orchestral sound module that costs about $300 has more power.
Though of course you can't wait around forever simply because technology is always improving.
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@julian said:
[ At the moment the 12 option looks to be particularly expensive for the performance increase - the processor upgrade alone is about the same as buying a complete new 6 core MacPro!
The high end processors will be always VERY expensive ! And Intel will always change something so you need to change the mother board !
A way to save money is :
Buy the Quad core = 2999 $
Buy the 12 core processor at ??? Newegg = 2749 $ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925)
Total = 5748 $
If you buy directly the 12 core it is 6999 $
So you save 6999 - 5748 = 1251 $
You have 12 GB of memory instead of 16 GB !
But you are taking risks, I will wait that other persons does the deal !
Unless Apple clearly specify you can upgrade your Macpro with processors bought elsewhere, if you have problems you need to return the Macpro with the original processor !
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teardown macPro
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Mac+Pro+Late+2013+Teardown/20778
http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown
confirms the CPU is sitting in a socket ... just the PCIe SSD appears to be proprietary and i wonder if the 1TB model contains 2 of those devices (completing the symmetry).
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Hi CM,
Do you think MIR, VE, or VI Pro will be able to utilise the GPU resources for computational tasks at some point in the future (particularly as a plug-in).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013
This comprehensivew review from Anandtech indicates future leaps forward will be more GPU than CPU based and that software that is able to address this will benefit most.
Julian
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@cm said:
teardown macPro
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Mac+Pro+Late+2013+Teardown/20778
http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown
confirms the CPU is sitting in a socket ... just the PCIe SSD appears to be proprietary and i wonder if the 1TB model contains 2 of those devices (completing the symmetry).
So this would mean getting the maximum PCLe memory right now.
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As usual I am abandoning Mac for cheaper PCs. I recently found a Dell XPS 8700 i7 4th generation computer that maxes out to 32 gb RAM and 4 cores. So get two of them and you have an 8 core 64 gb sample player. And the cost? $1,700. Compare that to the Mac Pro model.
Julian- I am thinking those figures in that article are very skewed. They don't translate into real world use of CPU/RAM/processing in general. Though on paper they are impressive.
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Hi William
You cannot compare an I7 and a Xeon processor !
It's like comparing a Audi A6 to a Ferari !
Best
Cyril
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This is not academic, if you want to compare two processors you must compare the inside of each, the DMA channel spead ....
Look at the price of a Xeon and to an I7, Xeon are going to more than 3000 $
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William
You are playing a bad game sending a version of message and changing it after on the forum
For those who are readind this thread these are the last two messages I received form William :
1) That's bullshit ! These are the latest i7 processors ! You cannot say that Cyril ! You are wrong !
2) Cyril - Yes it is completely academic. Don't contradict me. You are arrogant with all your flames and exclamation points. You don't know what you are talking about concerning my system which is far beyond anything you have used. End of discussion.
I have been very polite with you trying to help you, because you know a lot about music but your knowledge about computer is very low
For me it is the contrary !
Also when I write something I always check if I have any doubts. Wikipedia, Intel, Apple, HP pages are avery good source.
So before contradict me and insulting me you better doubble chek that what you wrote is not wrong.
SO I WILL REPEAT : YOU CANNOT COMPARE AN I7 PROCESSOR WITH A XEON PROCESSOR
If you want to know all about it you go on the Intel site and put the figures of an I7 agains the figures of a Xeon. Do you know wat is the DMA ? it is the channel that acces the memory
The new Xeon processor came after the last I7
There is a raison that the Xeon are sold up to 3000 $ each
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i don't understand why every mac-related discussion sooner or later must turn into a religious debate ...
if William is happy with the *inferior* i7 for his purpose - who cares.
if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.
if i had to choose a processor i'd go with the latest i7 http://ark.intel.com/de/products/family/79318/Intel-High-End-Desktop-Processors/desktop since i'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good idea to have as much processor cache as possible.
actually more important IMO are the 4 memory channels which the i7 also provides.
having everything under one hood can be comfortable, though currently i'm not sure which audio device i had to choose for a macPro and i'm convinced i would need 3 or 4 external devices anyway.
so please continue this thead in a productive manner, say hinting to mac pro related news (like thunderbolt devices) and such, otherwise i will close this thread.
thx, cm
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Hi CM
May be you did not understand my words.
You say : if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.
This not what I mean, I say you cannot compare an I7 to a Xeon, it is normal that you can buy a computer with I7 at 1700$, but you cant get a computer with a Xeon processor at 1700$ when the processor on it's own is sold by Intel just under 3000 $
For me I am very happy with my 12 core configuration, I have not problem to use my 100 instrument template with very heavy scores
Concerning using TB for audio, this is another discussion ! there are very few affordable solution availlable. Speaking to Motu lately about a TB 424 they said that they are not thinking of this for the moment.
