Ah ... I wonder if MIR Pro will be available in time for my birthday on October 2nd?

I also wonder if my wife will be able to affort to buy it for me as a present - or whether I'll have to wait until Christmas!

Ah .... questions, questions ...

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As MIR Pro requires VEP 5, and that hasn't been released yet, I doubt that MIR Pro will be available until November, at the very earliest. However, I would suggest that you buy VEP 5, when it is released, so that you can familiarise yourself with part of the software, before MIR arrives.

DG

@DG said:

As MIR Pro requires VEP 5, and that hasn't been released yet, I doubt that MIR Pro will be available until November, at the very earliest. However, I would suggest that you buy VEP 5, when it is released, so that you can familiarise yourself with part of the software, before MIR arrives.

Very good advice. That's exactly what I would suggest to do.

@DG said:

As MIR Pro requires VEP 5

Oh dear - does that mean we need to buy TWO expensive pieces of software Dietz?  I am not sure I need the networking capabilities of VEP really.  I do hope this new software isn't out of my reach financially.....

If you think VEP is expensive, I would respectfully suggest that you forget about MIR Pro altogether. Currently MIR is around £690 and VEP is £170. I know nothing about pricing, but i wouldn't expect MIR Pro to be less expensive than MIR.

It doesn't matter whether or not you need the networking capabilities of VEP. MIR Pro is hosted in VEP, so you will need both in order to use MIR Pro. However, I think that it would be useful for prospective customers to know whether the price of MIR Pro includes VEP, or not. I'm sure that you would agree with me on that one. [;)]

DG

I already have MIR SE and love it.  I would love to have the facilities MIR Pro offers, and know how much the present MIR costs, but VEPro on top of that is a bit of a stretch.  I used VE standard a while ago and didn't really like it - lets just hope that VSL come up with an attractive pricing strategy for both the products.....

MIR Pro relies on VE Pro as the underlying host. Without VE Pro the new MIR Pro engine won't work.

As a rule of thumb, MIR Pro will cost as much as "legacy" Vienna MIR and VE Pro 5 together. There will be attractive up- and cross-grade offerings for all owners of VE Pro, MIR and MIR SE licenses.

Wether a "MIR Pro SE" will be released or not is not decided yet.

Kind regards,

@Dietz said:

As a rule of thumb, MIR Pro will cost as much as "legacy" Vienna MIR and VE Pro 5 together. There will be attractive up- and cross-grade offerings for all owners of VE Pro, MIR and MIR SE licenses.

Thanks for clearing that up Dietz. I'm sure that will help a lot of prospective users to budget.

DG

Is that just me, or did I hear someone just announce the price of MIR Pro as being 995€ ? [H]

BTW - I'm testing a pretty advanced beta-version of MIR Pro right now, and I just wrote a fanboy-like e-mail to our developers because the thing is SO F*****G AMAZING that I can hardly believe my ears. 8-)

I'm so glad to hear this. Although most people including myself are feeling so jealous right now for not laying our hands on it:)

@hose said:

I'm so glad to hear this. Although most people including myself are feeling so jealous right now for not laying our hands on it😊

Soon. Very soon.

With the latest beta version, is the needed computer power still in line with what is currently needed for MIR?  Or, can one get by with a bit less, or does one need more?

Here's hoping that the upgrade/crossgrade prices are "very" attractive.

@Dietz said:

BTW - I'm testing a pretty advanced beta-version of MIR Pro right now, and I just wrote a fanboy-like e-mail to our developers because the thing is SO F*****G AMAZING that I can hardly believe my ears. 8-)

AAHHH!!  The anticipation is killing me lol!  Presonus is coming out with a complete new version 2 for us and you're coming out with this for us!  I am so fricken stoked about this because both promise to make my workflow so much better (not saying you promised it will, it's just the features speak for themselves).  I simply cannot wait until the VEP portion of MIR pro replaces my somewhat clunky current setup (MoL blah blah blah).  VEP has always been a favorite part of my system however owning MIR full it basically went on the shelf so to speak (keeping in mind it will let me get rid of my PoS second sound card!).  So mixing it with MIR, being able to do true automation and combining the sound quality of MIR into one application now is going to change my entire operation (not to mention adding Vienna Suite into this).  I simply cannot wait any longer.  I will for the first time be able to have templates, that are not only more simple to use but also much closer to a finished mix and mastered sound while playinf parts in live.  This will raise my inspiration levels exponentially.  It should reduce how much mastering and mixing has to happen to my tracks as well.  I am going insane waiting on this lol.  Hopefully my expectations are not to high haha.

I just thought of the geekiest thing ever lol.  Remember the days of getting together with friends when networking games first came out?  You would have a LAN party (everyone brings a computer, we all hook up to the same network and beat the crap out of eachother lol)?  How cool (and geeky) would it be to have a big LAN MIR party where we had one massive machine running our MIR instances and we all connected to it over the network and shared ideas and did music all weekend!  Sign me up, VSL Make it happen!!  LOL.

Dietz, can I ask one question please?  Might it ever be possible to use our 3rd party samples such as LASS when layering with VSL, but be able to take out the panning portion of MIR's auto positioning, while maintaining the room sound?  It seems that the position of the instrument on stage affects the room sound applied to the instrument but is what I am asking possible maybe?  I am asking of course because so many companies come "Pre-Panned".  I want to blend them into the same room as my VSL sounds without panning them anymore then they are already.  You have stated many times you would prefer to blend them in outside of MIR within your DAW but I ultimately want to put everything over in MIR for simplicity sakes on my part if possible.

Thanks!

Patiently awaits, (when the hell will they have this done!!!) 😊

Maestro2be

@noldar12 said:

With the latest beta version, is the needed computer power still in line with what is currently needed for MIR?  Or, can one get by with a bit less, or does one need more?

Here's hoping that the upgrade/crossgrade prices are "very" attractive.

Assuming that many people will want to use MIR Pro on the same machine as their DAW, it might be venturous to suggest the use weaker machines. 😊

As a matter of fact, MIR Pro will need considerably less system resources with smaller setups than "legacy" Vienna MIR (... it even starts in a 32-bit operating system without complaints). But as soon as you work with big arrangements and lots of instruments on a stage, MIR Pro's RAM- and CPU-requirements will be similar to Vienna MIR.

However, do remember that MIR Pro will accept audio input, so there is no reason that you can't freeze all your MIDI tracks (assuming that your DAW can do this) and relieve the computer of a lot of the CPU cycles need to run the sample players. This will give you virtually all your computer's power for MIR. This wasn't possible in the standalone version of MIR, and it's is something I'm looking forward to, because my machine couldn't run my template and MIR at any buffer. [:O]

DG

@cgernaey said:

[...] Dietz, can I ask one question please?  Might it ever be possible to use our 3rd party samples such as LASS when layering with VSL, but be able to take out the panning portion of MIR's auto positioning, while maintaining the room sound?  It seems that the position of the instrument on stage affects the room sound applied to the instrument but is what I am asking possible maybe?  I am asking of course because so many companies come "Pre-Panned".  I want to blend them into the same room as my VSL sounds without panning them anymore then they are already.  You have stated many times you would prefer to blend them in outside of MIR within your DAW but I ultimately want to put everything over in MIR for simplicity sakes on my part if possible.

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Hmmm ... as you've written yourself, this goes quite a bit against the concept and underlying technical principles of MIR / MIR Pro.

Every signal put on a MIR stage triggers the selection of the nearest sets or multi-impulse responses, depending on its position, its direction and its stereo-width. Of course it is possible to use a "General Purpose" profile and stretch its width accross the whole stage, so the inherent panning would remain somewhat intact, but still this won't be what you're aiming for:

- The perceived stereo width is also dependant on the distance to MIR's virtual Main Microphone. The bigger the distance, the narrower the stereo image.

- The huge stereo width won't allow for much direction control.

- Only impulse responses recorded near the far left and right boarders of the stage will be triggered, while a proper panning would "touch" the proper positions on the stage.

In a word - mixing your pre-panned sounds with a MIR mix externally will most likely be the better way to do it.

BTW ... I still have a hard time to understand what's so cool about pre-panned sounds, as they cause nothing but trouble (at least in my book) ... 8-] ... panning is most likely the easiest task in sound engineering, because the effect is so obvious when you do it ...

It will be interesting to hear how MIR Rro handles other libraries with stage positioning (maybe the close and mid/mains, not the surround mics), and also how much life it might "add" to SampleModel instruments.

No doubt though it will be magic for VSL stuff !!