No, that one is Boulez. A pretty good one.

I was looking for outrageously stupid statements by him, but found myself agreeing with some of them, damn it! I hate it when that happens.

Hihi.. [[;)]]

WARNING!

I need for all of you to destroy all of your Wynton Marsalis recordings at once!

I attended a lecture/concert at my college years ago where Wynton was the guest speaker/performer. Man, what a let down. So full of himself, so sure of his condemnation of all music excepting his own preferences, etc.

The thing was, his opinions really didn't bother me. What bothered me was he was taking time away from his playing for us with all that stupid chatter. Shut up and play, mental-idiot-but-trumpet-giant!

Artists and composers should realize that what they say and think means nothing to me and people like me. I only like them for their music.

So my advice is to definitely study Boulez along with the others mentioned here. Who cares what he believed? I don't.

Wynton's Standard Time vol. 1 is great, BTW. The other stuff is a bit of a letdown.

Clark

@clarkcontrol said:

I need for all of you to destroy all of your Wynton Marsalis recordings at once!

I have to buy a Marsalis record first to throw it away. He is a excellent musician, but I can't stand the music he is playing. I can't get rid of the the feeling that I heard his sound years before Marsalis was born and certainly original from Miles. It sounds a if he plays Miles as a music theory.

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Wasn't the bloke who played the VSL trumpet samples this Marsalis?

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Sorry, I tend to get carried away. Probably should be literally carried away. By the funny little men in the white suits.

Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort

Und so kam er in den Himmel
Und man hat ihm nichts serviert
Gegen diese Art Behandlung hat der Lümmel protestiert

Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort

Und so kam er in die Hölle
Und sein Durst der warst zur Qual
Aber ausser heissem Schwefel gab es nichts in dem Lokal

Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort

Und so irrt er durch das Weltall
Voller Tränen im Gesicht
Denn da wimmelt's von Raketen, aber Kneipen gibt es nicht

Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort

Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort

KURZE PAUSE____________________________________

Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii, es gibt kein Bier,
drum fahr ich nicht nach Hawaii, drum bleib ich hier.
Es ist so heiß auf Hawai, kein kühler Fleck,
und nur vom Hula-Hula geht der Durst nicht weg.

Meine Braut, die heißt Marianne,
wir sind seit 12 Jahren verlobt,
sie hätt'mich so gern zum Manne,
und hat schon mit Klage gedroht.
Die Hochzeit wär längst schon gewesen,
wenn die Hochzeitsreise nicht wär,
denn sie will nach Hawaii,
ja, sie will nach Hawai,
und das fällt mir so unsagbar schwer.

Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii, es gibt kein Bier,
drum fahr ich nicht nach Hawaii, drum bleib ich hier.
Es ist so heiß auf Hawai, kein kühler Fleck,
und nur vom Hula-Hula geht der Durst nicht weg.

Wenn sie mit nach Pilsen führe,
ja, dann wären wir längst schon ein Paar,
doch all meine Bitten und Schwüre
verschmähte sie Jahr um Jahr.
Sie singt Tag und Nacht neue Lieder,
von den Palmen am blauen Meer,
denn sie will nach Hawaii,
ja, sie will nach Hawaii,
und das fällt mir so unsagbar schwer.

Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii, es gibt kein Bier,
drum fahr ich nicht nach Hawaii, drum bleib ich hier.
Es ist so heiß auf Hawai, kein kühler Fleck,
und nur vom Hula-Hula geht der Durst nicht weg

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the only thing i'm missing, differing from your usual precision, is the author [:P] but thanks for letting me know what people _should_ sing when intonating this songs [;)]
christian

Oh, sorry....

Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort (Willy Millowitsch)

Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii (Paulchen Kuhn)

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christian,

Something's wrong, I think I'm getting the forum in german and I didn't even click to have it in german...

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Speaking respectfully and without obscenity (I'm trying so hard to be good!!! [:D] Though it is so difficult ... [:'(]

but as Herbert Lom in the later Pink Panthers put it as he smiled within the asylum and his eye began to twitch - "every day, in every way, I'm getting better") ---

concerning The Sixth Sense, the music score was excellent, but I am beginning to wonder if director Shyamalan is a One-Hit Wonder. That film was an excellent ghost story that had a very positive effect upon current cinema in general (witness all the subtle ghost stories that appeared after it), but his other films all seem to be somewhat lacking, and his reliance upon "twists" is getting to be desperate. I personally found "The Village" to be incredibly disappointing. It started out creating an alternate universe that was fascinating, and then simply played a shallow trick upon the audience. Very dishonest storytelling.

@Guy said:

christian,

Something's wrong, I think I'm getting the forum in german and I didn't even click to have it in german...

[[;)]]

Well Guy,

click on italian, or as my father used to say "God speaks italian, and german only when he gives orders"

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This is part of the problem with being a filmmaker/composer as opposed to just composer... (though that also is a great thing to be as old Ludwig von B. proved) Half of what you say about the one will be ignored by the others. Or something like that...

You are not supposed to be such a combo - like a Lovecraftian beast - as only Mathis and Herb here know personally - as far as I have discovered... John Carpenter is another. Charlie Chaplin (with apologies to David Raksin as Dave C pointed out) is another. Ha-ha! Good company. I feel better already.

@Guy said:

christian,

Something's wrong, I think I'm getting the forum in german and I didn't even click to have it in german...

[[;)]]

Well Guy,

click on italian, or as my father used to say "God speaks italian, and german only when he gives orders"

[:)]

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...and God sings "Mexican Hat Dance" when he was in a fiesta mood?

@William said:

concerning The Sixth Sense, the music score was excellent, but I am beginning to wonder if director Shyamalan is a One-Hit Wonder. That film was an excellent ghost story that had a very positive effect upon current cinema in general (witness all the subtle ghost stories that appeared after it), but his other films all seem to be somewhat lacking, and his reliance upon "twists" is getting to be desperate. I personally found "The Village" to be incredibly disappointing. It started out creating an alternate universe that was fascinating, and then simply played a shallow trick upon the audience. Very dishonest storytelling.

I fully agree.

I don't get your other post.

I am aware that this thread has gone into another direction since I was first wondering about the Sixth Sense, but indeed Mathis has pointed my in the right direction with Penderecki.

I have now revisitied a few of his scores (certainly not available in any local library though) and surpisingly I could find almost all my favourite (atonal) passages from 6th Sense again in the 60s Penderecki scores. (Sometimes they are worryingly similar). Of course the tonal part of that score (as William descibed) has a great sound too, but is also easier to analyze by ear.

Whether they are New Music clichés or not I wouldn't really now but in terms of film music there are certainly other cliches that are far more overused.

Dom

I guess you are refering to Penderecki's "Threnos"

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