Bill, Dom asked specifically for the shrill woodwind/brass effect at around 1 minute. Of course the other stuff hasn't anything to do with New Music...
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By way of explanation for my previous ranting (and edited) post, first of all - alcohol, and secondly, quotes like this -
"It is not enough to deface the Mona Lisa because that does not kill the Mona Lisa. All art of the past must be destroyed." -- Pierre Boulez, 1971, quoted in the Sunday New York Times
This is garbage, not only because Leonardo da Vinci was a mind that dwarfs Boulez, because also because it is like what has actually been done by totalitarian regimes - for example the Taliban. I don't like the belligerant, arrogant mentality shown by Boulez, who has no respect for "the Past." It is perfectly possible the do new work, revolutionary work, without shitting all over people of the past. That is a sign of a small mind. And people who respect great art of the past are not stuck in it, as he implies. They learn from it.
And Mathis, please understand, I don't really care that much. Believe whatever you want to believe, worship whomever you want to worship. It's all mainly a source of amusement to me.
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Angelo,
Yeah, and so I'm responding to him. So what's your point? You have no point. Just attempting to contradict me in general, huh?
What neither you nor Mathis respond to is what I was disturbed by - Boulez trashing all of previous composers and music history in favor of....
himself.
That is my problem. That someone that arrogant and childish, would be put up as something to "study." As Mathis suggests. But since you contradict me, I must assume you approve of all that trashing he did, as Mathis does. So, you believe he - Mr. Boulez - is superior to not only Beethoven, but Mozart, Tchaikovsky AND J.S. Bach.
O.K. Whatever... [8-)]
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I earlier wrote this:
@mathis said:
What he might have said once earlier in his life in a time when everybody and his dog said really stupid things I don't care for.
Come on, in the 60's and 70's really everybody was claiming shit like that. Not only Boulez. It was "en vogue" to speak like that. Don't take it so personal. Of course it's idiotic. Nobody denies that.
I mean, Boulez himself really does completely different things now that he did 35(!) years ago. He composes totally different. Do you want to be judged for the rest of your lifetime for some stupidity you have claimed 35 years ago?
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It's brilliant orchestral score and it has a great, modern...
Can anybody work out what's going on?
The abusive term: modern. The expressionm is fashionable. But for me it is not applicable to music, at best it stand for a pair of nice women shoes. The chronological art music doesn't deserve this term, maybe it can be used in popoular music, or movie soundtracks. I hear all detail in the "Suicide Ghost " by James Newton Howard and could write it down anytime if I had to, but I listen to it in a clearer quality at 44.1k on a compact disc.
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“The aim of music is not to express feelings but to express music. It is not a vessel into which the composer distills his soul drop by drop, but a labyrinth with no beginning and no end, full of new paths to discover, where mystery remains eternal.”
Stravinski, isn't it?
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WARNING!
I need for all of you to destroy all of your Wynton Marsalis recordings at once!
I attended a lecture/concert at my college years ago where Wynton was the guest speaker/performer. Man, what a let down. So full of himself, so sure of his condemnation of all music excepting his own preferences, etc.
The thing was, his opinions really didn't bother me. What bothered me was he was taking time away from his playing for us with all that stupid chatter. Shut up and play, mental-idiot-but-trumpet-giant!
Artists and composers should realize that what they say and think means nothing to me and people like me. I only like them for their music.
So my advice is to definitely study Boulez along with the others mentioned here. Who cares what he believed? I don't.
Wynton's Standard Time vol. 1 is great, BTW. The other stuff is a bit of a letdown.
Clark
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@clarkcontrol said:
I need for all of you to destroy all of your Wynton Marsalis recordings at once!
I have to buy a Marsalis record first to throw it away. He is a excellent musician, but I can't stand the music he is playing. I can't get rid of the the feeling that I heard his sound years before Marsalis was born and certainly original from Miles. It sounds a if he plays Miles as a music theory.
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Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Und so kam er in den Himmel
Und man hat ihm nichts serviert
Gegen diese Art Behandlung hat der Lümmel protestiert
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Und so kam er in die Hölle
Und sein Durst der warst zur Qual
Aber ausser heissem Schwefel gab es nichts in dem Lokal
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Und so irrt er durch das Weltall
Voller Tränen im Gesicht
Denn da wimmelt's von Raketen, aber Kneipen gibt es nicht
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort
Dann trugen ihn die Englein fort
KURZE PAUSE____________________________________
Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii, es gibt kein Bier,
drum fahr ich nicht nach Hawaii, drum bleib ich hier.
Es ist so heiß auf Hawai, kein kühler Fleck,
und nur vom Hula-Hula geht der Durst nicht weg.
Meine Braut, die heißt Marianne,
wir sind seit 12 Jahren verlobt,
sie hätt'mich so gern zum Manne,
und hat schon mit Klage gedroht.
Die Hochzeit wär längst schon gewesen,
wenn die Hochzeitsreise nicht wär,
denn sie will nach Hawaii,
ja, sie will nach Hawai,
und das fällt mir so unsagbar schwer.
Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii, es gibt kein Bier,
drum fahr ich nicht nach Hawaii, drum bleib ich hier.
Es ist so heiß auf Hawai, kein kühler Fleck,
und nur vom Hula-Hula geht der Durst nicht weg.
Wenn sie mit nach Pilsen führe,
ja, dann wären wir längst schon ein Paar,
doch all meine Bitten und Schwüre
verschmähte sie Jahr um Jahr.
Sie singt Tag und Nacht neue Lieder,
von den Palmen am blauen Meer,
denn sie will nach Hawaii,
ja, sie will nach Hawaii,
und das fällt mir so unsagbar schwer.
Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii, es gibt kein Bier,
drum fahr ich nicht nach Hawaii, drum bleib ich hier.
Es ist so heiß auf Hawai, kein kühler Fleck,
und nur vom Hula-Hula geht der Durst nicht weg
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Oh, sorry....
Schnaps, das war sein letztes Wort (Willy Millowitsch)
Es gibt kein Bier auf Hawaii (Paulchen Kuhn)
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Speaking respectfully and without obscenity (I'm trying so hard to be good!!! [:D] Though it is so difficult ... [:'(]
but as Herbert Lom in the later Pink Panthers put it as he smiled within the asylum and his eye began to twitch - "every day, in every way, I'm getting better") ---
concerning The Sixth Sense, the music score was excellent, but I am beginning to wonder if director Shyamalan is a One-Hit Wonder. That film was an excellent ghost story that had a very positive effect upon current cinema in general (witness all the subtle ghost stories that appeared after it), but his other films all seem to be somewhat lacking, and his reliance upon "twists" is getting to be desperate. I personally found "The Village" to be incredibly disappointing. It started out creating an alternate universe that was fascinating, and then simply played a shallow trick upon the audience. Very dishonest storytelling.
