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  • Orchestra Stage Room tone (performers shuffling in seats AC)

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    Hi all,

    This will sound anal...BUT adding "Roomtone" to compositions, in addition to the right IR reverbs does wonders for making the MockUps sound realistic and convincing.....

    I'm referring to the noise of the stage and performers shuffling pages and moving their instruments etc.....

    HERB,

    could you make this available.....a 2 min stream would do.

    Especially during quiet passages, it would take away that "Orchestra in a vacuum" effect...

    SvK
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    I don't want noise, but I would like some "air". It sounds silly but even in the silence before the orchestra plays (and in GP bars) there is something magical about the recorded sound. I don't know what it is, but I do know that sample based compositions can sound dead when there is a GP.

    DG
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    DG.....

    THAT is exactly what I am talking about.....

    Just listen to Howard Shore's "Cop Land" or T Newman's "Shawshank Redemption"

    When In the real world ...when you close your eyes...there is NEVER absolute silence........It makes such a difference.....

    You BELIEVE the music more...it is organic...

    SvK
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    Vitous Philharmonik included a few such samples. It was fun to draw listeners in at first when they heard realistic plucking and tuning, a couple of coughs and some silent "air" before the track began.

    To the extreme (an probably undesirable), I've been listening to re-issues of Bernstein conducting the NY Philharmonic. The grunting, stomping, breathing, clicks, etc., certainly offer evidence that the recordings are of a real orchestra. But there is SO much more to it than this, of course. You still need expressive passagework and a great mix-- but "air" is very much a part of finishing the illusion.
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    I would like this too. But even more I would like about 2 dozen human inhale sound from soloist woodwind players and brass players. This is very important to creating a perfect illusion in intimate chamber recordings. Even string players have very audible breathing in solo and quartet work. PLEASE. Maybe as a Christmas bonus??

    Best,
    Jay
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    I've wanted to post this for a long time. "Air." Absolutely. In post, when you're dealing with a visual in a large room (and certainly outdoors), sound engineers add "air" all the time.

    I'm reminded of the oxymoronic phrase, "the deafening silence." And that is what we hear in our mock-ups, regardless of the superb IR's. Next to the sucking sound between notes, and just after the machine-gun effect, utter silence is probably the biggest giveaway of a sampled orchestra.

    I've never tried sampling air, but I gotta believe it's easy to loop.
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    @JBacal said:

    I would like this too. But even more I would like about 2 dozen human inhale sound from soloist woodwind players and brass players. This is very important to creating a perfect illusion in intimate chamber recordings. Even string players have very audible breathing in solo and quartet work. PLEASE. Maybe as a Christmas bonus??

    Best,
    Jay



    Right on Jay - A YO YO Ma recording wouldn't be half as good without his breathing [[;)]]

    Rob
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    Guys...

    I did it!!!!


    instructions......

    Take white noise from a synth (Pro 53) EQ out everytrhing that is harsh anroute the output to TODD AO IR room (completely wet)

    I used the "Nightlife" cue from Goldsmith's Basic Instinct and match-eq'd the AIR at top of track to my white noiz and then wet it down completely....

    Perfect 10 ...I Sh%t you not [;)]

    SvK
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    @svonkampen said:

    Guys...

    I did it!!!!


    instructions......

    Take white noise from a synth (Pro 53) EQ out everytrhing that is harsh anroute the output to TODD AO IR room (completely wet)

    I used the "Nightlife" cue from Goldsmith's Basic Instinct and match-eq'd the AIR at top of track to my white noiz and then wet it down completely....

    Perfect 10 ...I Sh%t you not [;)]

    SvK

    Any download for your supporters? [:)]

    DG
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    @DG said:

    I don't want noise, but I would like some "air". It sounds silly but even in the silence before the orchestra plays (and in GP bars) there is something magical about the recorded sound. I don't know what it is, but I do know that sample based compositions can sound dead when there is a GP.

    DG

    This is recorded for every hall that will be available for the MIR. There's a dedicated switch labeled "Roomtone" in the master-section to add a loop of about five minutes silence, recorded around 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning. It will adapt to the output-format chosen, so you will have 5.1-"ambience", too, if you like. All obvious noises like a loud truck in the distance, or the small clicks and squeeks of the wood are cut, of course. - One could call it "bio-dither" [:)]
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @DG said:

    I don't want noise, but I would like some "air". It sounds silly but even in the silence before the orchestra plays (and in GP bars) there is something magical about the recorded sound. I don't know what it is, but I do know that sample based compositions can sound dead when there is a GP.

    DG

    This is recorded for every hall that will be available for the MIR. There's a dedicated switch labeled "Roomtone" in the master-section to add a loop of about five minutes silence, recorded around 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning. It will adapt to the output-format chosen, so you will have 5.1-"ambience", too, if you like. All obvious noises like a loud truck in the distance, or the small clicks and squeeks of the wood are cut, of couse. - One could call it "bio-dither" [:)]

    Stop it, stop it.......

    These tantalising snippets are not fair; think of poor Christian [:'(]

    DG
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    Dietz - the more you tell me about MIR the more I love you - be careful [[:D]]

    [edit] LOL DG - your post was posted while I was reading and typing [[:D]] haha [:D]
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    @Christian Marcussen said:

    Dietz - the more you tell me about MIR the more I love you - be careful [[:D]]

    [edit] LOL DG - your post was posted while I was reading and typing [[:D]] haha [:D]

    Well as far as I can make out you are about to self destruct and that could get very messy [:D]

    DG
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    Herb, an air sample or "quiet waiting musicians" would be nice to have before the MIR. (I won't buy the MIR just for the Breath samples [[;)]] )
    The sound of the pages a musician turns is a good idea too…
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    @Laurent said:

    The sound of the pages a musician turns is a good idea too…


    Funny, but I've spent hours removing these things from session recordings. Strange how things change depending on circumstances [:D]

    DG
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    @Plowman said:

    ... "Air." Absolutely. In post, when you're dealing with a visual in a large room (and certainly outdoors), sound engineers add "air" all the time...



    You need only go to a good recording of Renaissance choral music (say Tallis' "Spem in Alium habui") to witness a most tangible sense of air and space...
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    "There's a dedicated switch labeled "Roomtone" in the master-section to add a loop of about five minutes silence, recorded around 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning."

    And Level 2 will have Noon, 3 P.M. and quarter to nine.
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    Sorry for the novice-sounding question, but IR/MIR...this stands for what??? (I could guess, trying to make myself sound like I DO have a brain, but I won't risk being wrong and sounding like an even bigger moron).

    Josh
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    @Plowman said:

    "There's a dedicated switch labeled "Roomtone" in the master-section to add a loop of about five minutes silence, recorded around 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning."

    And Level 2 will have Noon, 3 P.M. and quarter to nine.

    ... this is when the cleaning ladies do their job in the lobby. Cool sound! [:D]
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @JJRoach said:

    Sorry for the novice-sounding question, but IR/MIR...this stands for what??? (I could guess, trying to make myself sound like I DO have a brain, but I won't risk being wrong and sounding like an even bigger moron).

    Josh

    IR is Impulse Response

    [URL=http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/65/71/170.vsl]MIR[/URL]

    DG