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    @Keagan Daz said:

    I finally found the Best Velocity for my Steinway Hamburg that I love!!

    I have Deeply researching it for a month and here is my method.

     

    *PROBLEM

    VSL Steinway on Default Velocity Curve, I kinda hate how it sound so hard.even thouogh I play pianissimo. Unlikely CFX, I kinda love CFX response feel.

     

    *SOLUTION

    1.I need to find out how many Layers they really have by using Fabfilter L-2

    and I got 60 Layers (Silent key included)

    2.Make it True Linear by X = Layer*100/60, Y = 100-(100/128*midi signal) 

    3.I load the Velocity Preset on CFX and play. WOW it more response But Steinway's response feel still so hard.

    4.I use MIDISHAPESHIFTER to curve the True Linear by reference from CFX.

    5.I change The X to make it curve like SOLUTION 4.

     

    at first try, I don't even trust that I made it so I leave from it for a moment to rest a bit,eat some snacks and play it again.the resource still unbelievable!!.

     

    Keagan D. Milos

    Hello,

    I've tried it and Bravo 😊 good work i will use it.
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    Hi,

    Here Calculation .xls to fix Steinway D-274 fix, to use the most important sampled layers (50/60).

    The last layers taken by the VSL robot 50 to 60, are unreal for me. (no pianist finger behaviour)

    Attached :

    .xls

    .velmap

    VSL-STEINWAY-Correction-velocity-formula.xls-1696491639515-edim6.xls

    D-274-Velocity-all-60-layers-FIX.velmap.zip-1696491639515-wbfma.zip
  • O
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    Hi,

    Here Calculation .xls to fix Steinway D-274 fix, to use the most important sampled layers (50/60).

    The last layers taken by the VSL robot 50 to 60, are unreal for me. (no pianist finger behaviour)

    Attached good files (wrong files in previous post):

    .xls

    .velmap

    VSL-STEINWAY-Correction-velocity-formula.xls-1696491639632-i6xfq.xls

    D-274-Velocity-all-60-layers-FIX.velmap.zip-1696491639632-uvimh.zip
  • O
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    Here,

    The Final version of D-274. corrected layer Velocity and the good layers number :

    attached :

    Final-VSL-STEINWAY-Correction-velocity-formula.xls-1696491639767-iw0gy.xls

    D-274-Velocity-59-layers-FIX.velmap.zip-1696491639767-63pm1.zip
  • O
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    Hi,

    Attached the latest 60 layers and dynamic Fix, for D-274 based on Real Steinway D.

    All 60 layers are used in new velocity curve.

    Attached :

    (the .xls , the . velmap and the demo preset)

    Optimised-FULL-Steinway-D-274-Layers-fix.zip-1696491640355-wae7d.zip
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    Hi,

    I'm new to this forum and the VSL pianos. Thankyou for all the presets everyone has shared on here 😊

    I have downloaded all the various CFX presets but don't know where the user presets folder is on my Windows 11 PC? Could someone help me find this please?

    Thanks
  • KeepitsimpleK
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    @Dickiefunk said:

    Hi,

    I'm new to this forum and the VSL pianos. Thankyou for all the presets everyone has shared on here 😊

    I have downloaded all the various CFX presets but don't know where the user presets folder is on my Windows 11 PC? Could someone help me find this please?

    Thanks

    Documents\VSL\Vienna Synchron Pianos\Presets
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    Hi,

    New Steinway 60 layers preset for new VSL Piano Full player V1.3.368 update (27 april 2023) (fix releases samples)

    (Attached files)

    Steinway-D274-full-60-layers-fix-vel.velmap.zip-1696491640775-c2i48.zip

    V1.3.368-FULL-VSL-Synchron-Steinway-D274-optimised.vsynpreset.zip-1696491640775-o92ae.zip
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    Hi, Olivier!

    Thank you for sharing your presets. Yesterday, I tested your previous patch and I found it very playable, so congrats for your excellent work. However, I find it extremely dry so I personally add a couple of surround mics to feel it more wet and nice; I will use it often. Thanks again.

    What is this fix about?

    @Olivier W. said:

    Hi,

    New Steinway 60 layers preset for new VSL Piano Full player V1.3.368 update (27 april 2023) (fix releases samples)

    (Attached files)
  • VastV
    VastV
    @stephen-limbaugh said:

     

    @MangoD said:

     


    Hey Stephen,


     


    I'd love to try your preset. Unfortunately it doesn't load for me (it says "Could not load "Steinway 1"). Does anyone else have this problem?


     

     


     


    Try this one...

    Steinway-Limbaugh.vsynpreset.zip-1696491631168-2fkbi.zip

    thank you Stephen 🥳

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  • JaviAVJ
    JaviAVJ

    Hi! Does anyone have a nice, natural player perspective for the Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial Full Library? I'm on a Kawai VPC1. Thanks!
  • David B.D
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    @JaviAV said:
    Hi! Does anyone have a nice, natural player perspective for the Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial Full Library? I'm on a Kawai VPC1. Thanks!

    Download "Imperial.vsynpreset"

    This is a variation of the Player Surround to Stereo downmix. I've added a custom EQ to each mic along with a few other changes.

    God Bless,

    David

    F308, D-274, 280VC, Yamaha CFX, Bösendorfer Imperial, Vienna Imperial
  • JaviAVJ
    JaviAVJ

    Thanks a lot David!

    @David-B said:


    @JaviAV said:
    Hi! Does anyone have a nice, natural player perspective for the Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial Full Library? I'm on a Kawai VPC1. Thanks!

    Download "Imperial.vsynpreset"


    This is a variation of the Player Surround to Stereo downmix. I've added a custom EQ to each mic along with a few other changes.


    God Bless,


    David
  • JaviAVJ
    JaviAVJ

    To whoever is interested, I'm sharing my patch for the Bosendorfer upright (full library).

    As an owner of an actual Bosendorfer 130CL, I was never satified with default player presets in either the Standard or Full library. I thought they were just not making justice to the actual sound of the 130CL.

    So, after spending many hours playing with all the mics and tweaking EQ, I came to a preset that I'm actually satisfied with. Enjoy!

    Download "Bosendorfer 130CL Player Full.vsynpreset"
  • Mark SchmiederM
    Mark SchmiederM

    Wow, that's practically the opposite of my own preset, so it's a welcome addition! Thanks for posting!

    Of course, mine was specifically designated for use in a reggae context, but I'm looking forward to trying this bright preset vs. my dark one.
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    @Keagan-Daz said:

    I finally found the Best Velocity for my Steinway Hamburg that I love!!


    I have Deeply researching it for a month and here is my method.



    *PROBLEM


    VSL Steinway on Default Velocity Curve, I kinda hate how it sound so hard.even thouogh I play pianissimo. Unlikely CFX, I kinda love CFX response feel.



    *SOLUTION


    1.I need to find out how many Layers they really have by using Fabfilter L-2


    and I got 60 Layers (Silent key included)


    2.Make it True Linear by X = Layer*100/60, Y = 100-(100/128*midi signal)


    3.I load the Velocity Preset on CFX and play. WOW it more response But Steinway's response feel still so hard.


    4.I use MIDISHAPESHIFTER to curve the True Linear by reference from CFX.


    5.I change The X to make it curve like SOLUTION 4.



    at first try, I don't even trust that I made it so I leave from it for a moment to rest a bit,eat some snacks and play it again.the resource still unbelievable!!.



    Keagan D. Milos






    REALU0020Linear.rar-1696491637901-r5ffd.rar


    REALU0020Steinway.rar-1696491637901-gumrl.rar

    How can I apply this curve to the piano player? I'm struggling...
  • Andreas8420A
    VSL Team
    Andreas8420A
    @Nam-is said:
    How can I apply this curve to the piano player? I'm struggling...


    Hi! A right-click into the Velocity Curve Editor allows you to save/load/reset curves.

    VSL Team | Product Specialist & Media Editing
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    @Andreas8420 said:
    @Nam-is said:
    How can I apply this curve to the piano player? I'm struggling...


    Hi! A right-click into the Velocity Curve Editor allows you to save/load/reset curves.


    Thank you so much Andreas! It helped me a lot. Now I'm really happy to be able to enjoy the instrument properly. It's amazing!
  • mehrshadM
    mehrshadM
    @Rob57 said:

    here's one I did with the Steinway, just the Condenser mic, very close and warm...


    condenserEQ.zip-1696491633079-g3o4a.zip


    man i love this instrument, whenever i hear the sound of this beautiful masterpeace, i fall in love with it like it's the first time i'm hearing it, thank you for this experience, the music/playing was fantastic 😊
  • cybergolioC
    cybergolioC

    I think the velocity curves correspond to the type of keyboard used, more than to the piano itself.
    It would be necessary to know the weight exerted by the robot for each of the recorded velocities fromm PPP to FFF

    The best method would be to pass each type of classics keyboard under the robot to define there own velocity curves.
    by creating a database with classic keyboards (sl88, Arturia etc...), we would have a more accurate rendering of their responses in relation to the weight exerted by the robot for each velocity (see each keys...).