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    @alexdetig said:

    Just some simple questions:

    WHEN?

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    WHAT WILL BE NEW???

    😉

    The simple answer to both would be only Vienna knows but they won't tell us. A longer answer would include they want to make sure everything works before they tell us which might be admirable but isn't helping to build confidence or morale and goodwill. Those words and their true meaning seem to be missing from Venna's vocabulary. They could at least tell us where they're at and what's nailed down and what isn't quite working right yet. THAT would help calm the masses.

    One major stumbling block (for me at least) in all this non-information deal is system requirements. Yes they are up on the product page but telling us what beta testers are finding vis-a-vis those requirements would be great. For instance are they finding the so-called minimum requirements on Macs of Sierra OSX 10.12.6 really should ne High Sierra (which is now considered the recommended operating system)? For many reasons I can't go past that OSX version. Heck even VEPro 7 as it stands leaves out me using my old slave iMac as that runs/ran just fine with OSX 10.10.5. Forget El Crapitan.
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    I am glad they are taking time to test it all out before releasing the final product. Better than what steinberg did with Cubase 10.... where they just rushed the release and had customers be the "beta testers". 

    Ve pro 6 is working fine for me on my slave pc. I have 4 VE instances, each with 27 kontakt instances (with 16 articulations each) and they are all running smooth. Load time is a bit long (about 35-40 minutes) so I would love to see that improved in Ve Pro 7. And hopefully the Cpu performance will get a slight improvement, I know they said going from Ve Pro 5 to 6, cpu performance improved by 70 or 80 percent, but I didn't notice much difference then.

    I got my pre-order with the epic orchestra 2 a couple weeks ago. Been trying the library out and it sounds alright for the most part, but I wouldn't call it a must have... As someone stated above, I would rather see an upgrade to all 3 licences instead of just 1 (even thou I only have 1 slave PC in my studio, I have a remote set-up that I bring around when I travel and would love to just have licences on separate dongles like before)

     

    Anyways... I am patiently waiting for the release notes.
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    @TimBlast said:

    I am glad they are taking time to test it all out before releasing the final product. Better than what steinberg did with Cubase 10.... where they just rushed the release and had customers be the "beta testers". 

    Ve pro 6 is working fine for me on my slave pc. I have 4 VE instances, each with 27 kontakt instances (with 16 articulations each) and they are all running smooth. Load time is a bit long (about 35-40 minutes) so I would love to see that improved in Ve Pro 7. And hopefully the Cpu performance will get a slight improvement, I know they said going from Ve Pro 5 to 6, cpu performance improved by 70 or 80 percent, but I didn't notice much difference then.

    I got my pre-order with the epic orchestra 2 a couple weeks ago. Been trying the library out and it sounds alright for the most part, but I wouldn't call it a must have... As someone stated above, I would rather see an upgrade to all 3 licences instead of just 1 (even thou I only have 1 slave PC in my studio, I have a remote set-up that I bring around when I travel and would love to just have licences on separate dongles like before)

    Anyways... I am patiently waiting for the release notes.

    I don't think anyone minds that Vienna is taking their time to bring out VEPro 7; what gets people upset is there's nothing on what is in the new version. All we're told is that there are some new features based on other stuff Vienna has. If they could just tell us what's in there with the usual fine print statemnt to the effect of 'subject to change' I know I'd be happy and I wager so would a lot of others as well.

    You say your loading time for that template is 35 to 40 minutes - please tell us you're not loading from a spinner drive but an ssd. Or multiple ssd's. If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.
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    @musicman691 said:

    If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

    If you add a SATA card III you will load in 10 times less
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    @musicman691 said:

    If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

    If you add a SATA card III you will load in 10 times less

    The adapter card I'm using IS a SATA 3 card https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDACL6G.S/
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    Ssd is a must, and batch resave kontakt if you haven’t, 30 minutes is awful long for that template
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    Recently I upgraded my system sample drive to use a raid-0 of two SSD on sata3, via pcie bus.  

    https://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempossd.html

    The benchmark tests showed incredible improvements in raw disk performance through this raid array.

    It did not make ANY difference to the VEP project load time.  Before that I was using a single SSD on sata2.  (MacPro 5,1).

    All that being said, the longest my system has ever taken to load a VEP project is 1.5 minutes....around 100 channels of VSL instruments.  Even with the single sata2 SSD that is how long it took.  I can't imagine waiting 40 minutes...something is amis.
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    Paul,

    For those of us who dived right-in and purchased VEP 7, but already have the Giant Taiko, may we have an alternate incentive?

    Besides, wasn't this used as an incentive for someting else? Wasn't it SY Percussion 1??????????
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    Rest assured that you‘ll get no answer here (= communication re-invented)
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    @musicman691 said:

    You say your loading time for that template is 35 to 40 minutes - please tell us you're not loading from a spinner drive but an ssd. Or multiple ssd's. If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

    Oh yes multiple ssds of course, and on a PC with double xeon.... Just lots of instruments i guess, and it loads up into about 240gb of ram . I know a couple of fellow composers who have the same "problem", so its normal for a template that size
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    @musicman691 said:

    You say your loading time for that template is 35 to 40 minutes - please tell us you're not loading from a spinner drive but an ssd. Or multiple ssd's. If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

    Oh yes multiple ssds of course, and on a PC with double xeon.... Just lots of instruments i guess, and it loads up into about 240gb of ram . I know a couple of fellow composers who have the same "problem", so its normal for a template that size

    Where are those ssd's - inside the computer or outside? If outside how are they connected? You do have Kontakt Memory Server disabled right? With that amount of memory (never heard of a machine having that much ram) it sounds like you're having everything load into ram instead of streaming from the ssd's. If so here's a hint - let things stream.
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    @musicman691 said:

    You say your loading time for that template is 35 to 40 minutes - please tell us you're not loading from a spinner drive but an ssd. Or multiple ssd's. If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

    Oh yes multiple ssds of course, and on a PC with double xeon.... Just lots of instruments i guess, and it loads up into about 240gb of ram . I know a couple of fellow composers who have the same "problem", so its normal for a template that size

     

    Huge template then.  How many instruments?  If you have thousands, then it is what it is.  This is another area where if VEP update made a substantial improvement for project load times, through parallelism or something...it would be instant buy for me. 
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    Hello everybody!

    Finally some news on the features of VE Pro 7!

    Beta-testing is going well, and we’re doing our best to make this version the most stable and comfortable .0 version we have every released. It’s also looking good for macOS 10.10 support.

    Final steps in development will take some more time, and I’d like to thank you in advance for your patience and understanding.

    Also, we’re hoping for a little miracle on the AU3 side of things. We’re quite close to making this a GREAT feature for all Logic users out there, and even if a new version of Logic is probably not released when VE Pro 7 is ready, we’re hoping for some crucial fixes that will make this feature work!

    All the best from a busy busy busy Vienna,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hello everybody!

    Finally some news on the features of VE Pro 7!

    Beta-testing is going well, and we’re doing our best to make this version the most stable and comfortable .0 version we have every released. It’s also looking good for macOS 10.10 support. 

    Final steps in development will take some more time, and I’d like to thank you in advance for your patience and understanding. 

    Also, we’re hoping for a little miracle on the AU3 side of things. We’re quite close to making this a GREAT feature for all Logic users out there, and even if a new version of Logic is probably not released when VE Pro 7 is ready, we’re hoping for some crucial fixes that will make this feature work! 

    All the best from a busy busy busy Vienna, 
    Paul

    Let me be the first to say a big THANK YOU for this announcement. It's what a lot of us have been looking and asking for. And it's what's making me pull the trigger on getting the upgrade - especially the compatibility with OSX 10.10! While my major work is done in OSX 10.12.6 I still keep a boot partition with OSX 10.10.5 because I have some 32 bit plugins that for whatever reason don't play well in a 32 bit server running in OSX 10.12.6. It's not a big enough issue to raise a support ticket with (FYI the major one is NI's B4II Hammond organ vi).

    You have made me a very happy person this dreary day here.
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    Great looking features, thank you Paul.  I'd really still like a Wake On Midi feature for disabled instruments / folders  instances, but there's easily enough here for me to upgrade.
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    Got a question:

    I did the pre-order thing and am downloading the Synchron library now. Being in the USA and using US currency what date will be used to calculate the exchange rate from euros to US dollars? Right now it's $85 and change. Is the exchange rate figured on the date I puchase or what? Paid through Paypal if that makes any difference.
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    Hi musicman,

    The exchange rate is the one used on the day of purchase. If you used PayPal, you might already see it in your PayPal account. You can also see a 'Show US-$ Info' on the bottom left of the VE Pro 7 product page.
    Great to see happy first responses of details on the VE Pro 7 features!

    Best,
    Stefan
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    @Paul said:

    Hello everybody!

    Finally some news on the features of VE Pro 7!

    All the best from a busy busy busy Vienna, 
    Paul

    Great news, really appreciated set of features and nice presentation (Hopefully stopping bad moods 😊 and... looking forward to final release!
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    @teststefann said:

    Hi musicman,

    The exchange rate is the one used on the day of purchase. If you used PayPal, you might already see it in your PayPal account. You can also see a 'Show US-$ Info' on the bottom left of the VE Pro 7 product page.
    Great to see happy first responses of details on the VE Pro 7 features!

    Best, 
    Stefan

    Thanks for the clarification. Wasn't sure if the date froze on purchase or when Paypal posted it to my card - those have turned out NOT to be the same date in some cases.

    On other notes it took about 48 minutes to download the whole library which isn't too bad as I had other things to keep me occupied. Surprised at how decent the Synchron freebie is. Now to just wrap my head around the Synchron player.
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    @Paul said:

    Also, we’re hoping for a little miracle on the AU3 side of things. We’re quite close to making this a GREAT feature for all Logic users out there, and even if a new version of Logic is probably not released when VE Pro 7 is ready, we’re hoping for some crucial fixes that will make this feature work! 

    This is very encouraging.  in your talks with Apple, please make sure they do not overlook that the Scripter plugin will need to be updated to be aware about "port".  Many orchestrators are relying on scripter for articulation management above and beyond the built in articulation set features of LogicPro.  Scripter will need to become port-aware, just like tracks, the enviornment and everything else in order to fully support a multiport AU3 plugin.  I really hope you guys will be able to make all that happen.  But I also realize this depends a lot on what Apple decides to do to LogicPro in order to support multiple ports per instrument channel.

    Good job getting the product info out to everyone...