I agree with fahl5 that Synchron will be a huge step forward with the player. On the Zimmer strings the size is far too large - bigger is not better after a certain point. It makes things bland and inexpressive.
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Synchron Player is definitely next-gen in terms of usability and playability. Synchron Yamaha CFX and Synchron FX Strings prove how great Synchron Player is, because not only both libraries take advantages of the features the player offers, but also the VSL team could test their editing with Synchron Player in parallel.
Synchron Strings I should be the same (conceptually), but maybe because it was developed ahead of the development of Synchron Player and on top they edited the Synchron Strings I samples to work VI/VI Pro, my guess is that really added complexity to the development process.
When VSL announced Synchron Strings I, I am sure VSL did not make the "legao re-invented" claim out of thin air. There must have been some "proof-of-concept" somewhere. If VSL is so close to the re-release of Synchron Strings I for Synchron Player, how come VSL cannot their original "proof-of-concept", i.e their original vision with us at this point?
Or the realization is so far off from the original "proof-of-concept" that it is not that much different from the VI/VI Pro version, so VSL just wants us to find out ourselves and leave the judgment to us.
I know this has been discussed over and over, but I just feel VSL could trust its customers (us) more that we are willing to workaround the shortcomings on the basis that VSL could be more frank to us, instead of portraying everything as "perfect" as it stands.
IMHO, Synchron series is not only a new product line, but also a new phase for VSL as a company. If they could be more transparent with their development and roadmap, it will be musch easier for people to take the risk to support them and embrace their vision. For an example, how many Synchron Strings libraries have they planned so far and what type of arts are included. We would probably like to know such info ahead of time. If tremolo sul ponticello is important to me, I would like to know whether it will be in Synchron Strings II or Strings V because that a big difference in terms of my financial commitment to the Synchron series.
If VSL does not know themselves, customers could only go on per-library basis. Then, what is the whole point of the series concept? Just a sharing of same recording venue/acoustical space, and mic mixes? Or it is more about loyalty building process - a co-investment by VSL and its loyal customers?
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Be sure, that Synchron Strings I is not produced before the development of the Synchonplayer.
The first Idea for the Concept of Articulation-dimensions is already 5 Years old (I constantly botherd at that time most of the responsible VSL-Developpers with proposinmg that concept again and again after being a bit frustrated with the abilities to reasonably make use of all potential of the dimension Strings samples provided but the VI player does not allow to use as smart as I would like to have).
And the Synchon-Strings are from the beginning developed to be used in a Player with exactly that concept. But it is kind of the fundamental core librarie of the orchestra and they are right not to release anything without having solved all known issues.
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the number of players is so huge in the Hans Zimmer strings that there will be absolutely no expression audible. A huge generic sound. That's what people want today?
I must confess this is exactly what I think. Such an amount of instruments looks somewhat ridiculous to me, even compared to the largest strings sections playing in real orchestras.
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I do not have necessarily a problem with the Idea that large sectionsizes might have a certain acoustic interesting aspect. Already Berlioz has mentioned that compared to a lage amount of soldiers which just put simultaneously their Rifle back in the the sand. a little noise in it self but an extraordinary impression when it is done by a whole company. Nevertheless I do not compose that often music for Rifles and Sand. But when it comes to chords and melodies, the larger a section the more languid it is in its reactions. And honestly all what I have heard from HZS-Demos seem to prove that.
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Good point fahl5 to bring up Berlioz! I love Berlioz, but I thought of that also, when hearing of the numbers. The problem is when recording, rather than hearing live, that size does not translate into "epic" but rather simply no character. All the expressiveness of strings becomes lost when the ensemble is too large. That is why string players always like playing chamber music - their own individual tone can be heard. And this is the principle of Dimension Strings that is beautifully fulfilled in that library. Synchron is also of a size that will retain the expressive quality.
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Remember how a couple of weeks ago we all got uptight and excited at the same time? I’m not working for a few months, so I’m cool with the delay, but my guess is that Synchron Strings I with Synchron Player won’t be ready and bug-free until just about one year after we pre-ordered. I mean, it might come out this week, but that’s been said so many times I’m just expecting a November release.
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Hi,
A status update by Paul/VSL of the Synchron Strings 1 Player release would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Muziksculp
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Paul, I know this is difficult saying next week,next week,next week....... Building a new Synchron software platform is not easy. Neither is it good for VSL reputation. Allow us some insight into your struggles. This will go a long way as many of us are emotionally invested into VSL. Thank you, Eloy
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Hi,
Thanks for your understanding. It is not a pleasant situation, that's true.
There are many things that can complicate software development, but I'm afraid I cannot share the details of Synchron Player in an open forum. Too much room for misunderstandings, and I'd rather focus on getting this product ready for you 😊.
Best,
Paul
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Paul,
我知道下周说这句话很难.
构建一个新的Synchron软件平台并不容易。
这也不利于VSL的声誉。
让我们了解一下你们的奋斗。这将有很长的路要走,因为我们中的许多人都在情感上投入了VSL。
谢谢
EloyIf you're not sure, don't say next week...
Explain the year!!!
What a shame, VSL!!!
Come out at the end of 2018, ridiculous??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Hi,
I believe that we can release this update next week.
THANKS for your patience.
Best,
PaulHi Paul,
Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully you will release it when it is finally ready for release, I don't take the next week promises seriously any more. Waiting is just part of the process at this point. So.. Don't rush it if it is still not ready for release.
I think the most important thing now, is that the new Synchron Strings 1 Player, when finally released, will be :
* Bug free, very stable, and efficient.
* Offer improved Legato functionality, compared to Legato in VI-Pro 2 (Please Demonstrate this via videos) ! NOTE : If this is not going to happen, expect a lot of dissappointed customers.
* Offer major workflow improvements
And Please :
* Post new Video Tutorials of the Synchron Strings 1 Player in action.
* Post new Audio Demos of Synchron Strings 1 produced using the new Synchron Player
Thanks,
Muziksculp
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Hello everybody,
Today is the day! 🎉🍸
Synchron Player for Synchron Strings is ready for you!Next steps:
- Download and install the latest eLicenser Control Center
- Download and install the latest Synchron Player
- Download and install the latest Vienna Download Manager
- Get your Library Download Files for Violins I Stereo and double-click the file to start the Download Manager - more files will be added during the next days!First Synchron Player Videos Tutorials are available on the Synchron Strings product page, with more to come!
And some FAQs to tackle possible hurdles right away.
With best wishes from a happy Vienna Team!
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If I want to get rid of the old Synchron Strings data, how do I do that? Do I just delete it from my hard drive and erase the path from directory manager or is there something else I should take care of?
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I just downloaded the new 1st Violins - clocking in at 25.17 GB, but it won't install.
I get a "This package.info file is incomplete" when I try to install... humm...
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Did you update the download manager? I got the same problem when I tried to download FX strings without updating. Worked like a charm once I did it. Too bad I had to download the library twice before I noticed ;)