Sounds good - when using step record for both, isn't there a danger that the keyswitch and melodic note will occur at exactly the same time?

I have been playing with the speed control.  It seems amazing to me actually.  The only problem I am running into is that (by the way, it isnt a bug, it's how it works from what I have read and seen) when I say load up Violins legato patch, then load up Violins Staccato and set my speed control, played back live some of the notes get the wrong sample (what I have noticed is that it always seems to be the first note of the desired patch change).  I can even WATCH this happen when I open up VE3 interface.  I can see the delay of one note before witching to the other patch.  So if I play 4 legato notes in a row then do a chromatic scale up for 7 notes, the 1st not is still actually played with my legato sample, then the other 6 are using the staccato sample.  Which is for me not hardly noticeable, what is noticeable to me is when I do fast repitition notes and then slow down.  The first legato note is actually played with my Staccato patch and it's very evident by the difference in vibrato, atk etc.  Now I swear I read it somewhere that this is normal behavior because of how it works so I am looking for a "quick edit" to fix it.  To be honest, sometimes I have to really listen to hear that the note wasn't even played with the right sample.

In Logic 8, what would be the fastest way to fix this?

Another thing I need help on using the speed control is that I cannot ever get them to be "consistent sounding".  What I mean is say I load the legato patch and the staccato patch.  One is always so drastically different then the other (in atk etc) so my legato passages sound mf and my staccato passages sound fff or vice versa.  I am still in the learning curve moving from Gigastudio so sorry if this is an idiot problem to be having.

Can anyone help out with these few things?  I would rather start simple and master a few little tricks at a time.

Thanks,

Maestro2be

@Conquer said:

Sounds good - when using step record for both, isn't there a danger that the keyswitch and melodic note will occur at exactly the same time?

Yes of course, but I use normal record for the melody, I use step record when it comes to key switching and some times I need to precisely position the input point.

However, one drawback of key switches is it will be included with the score, the notation will be spoiled.

That's a great tip, thanks. Hi Maestro 2B, your first staccato probably plays as a legato sample because the gap between it and the note BEFORE it (i.e. the last legato note) is too great for the speed control to kick in and make the switch. (Speed control reacts to how close notes are together, not the same thing as note velocity.) But maybe this should be a separate topic?[;)]

Well I have been trying different things for a while now with this subject in Logic.  For me so far hands down the most convenient and fastest way to do key changes for me is a second pass recording as DG stated.  Merge the two and done.  Even if you miss the timing of the key change note, you can simply go back and edit it and back it up or push it forward to the spot it needs to be in prior to hitting "merge" regions.

Thanks for the tip DG, works wonderful and it's very simple.  Drawing them in never worked for me.  All it ever did was interrupt the note that was playing.  It never actually would trigger the key switch.  Was more of a mess and headache then anything.

Maestro2be

In Logic I use bank and program changes to change articulation of VSL

Are you talking to me ?

I would love to have Logic Expression Maps, this is THE  solution.

You are doing a great job but we want to be able to do the same in the Logic score, and today it is not possible because in the macro you cannot deal with Meta events 

What you have done and what I have done is a "do-it-yourself" because the develloper at Emagic and now at Apple are stupid enough not wanting to add an equivalence of the "Cubase Expression Maps" in Logic

@Cyril said:

What you have done and what I have done is a "do-it-yourself" because the develloper at Emagic and now at Apple are stupid enough not wanting to add an equivalence of the "Cubase Expression Maps" in Logic

I agree with you for that but it's the same for all others DAW (Pro Tools, Live, Studio One, Reaper, etc.). They don't have expression mapping either.

The day Logic will have a proper articulation switching system I will come back to it. It's the only reason I use Cubase right now. 

@Another User said:

You are doing a great job but we want to be able to do the same in the Logic score.

How do you do if you have to give the score to a real orchestra 

Specifying Articulation in the score is THE solution

@Cyril said:

How do you do if you have to give the score to a real orchestra

@A.G said:

[quote=Cyril]How do you do if you have to give the score to a real orchestra

Do you have a video for this ? You should not have to enter articulation changes twice , also you should be able to change articulation just for one note 

I noticed you had 16 midi channels where you define the instrument name, can you have multiple 16 midi channels, my template has 100 instruments

How many keyswitch can you have per instrument ?

Can you send 2 notes for a keyswitch i.e.  C0 C1, C0 D1, ......D0 C1, D0 D1...... (you need this to have access to the presets levell II of VSL instruments)

When I write a score I have one line per instrument, I dont have a line that contains many instruments

What you have done is great but you need to have access to the Meta data of the score to be able to have a real "LOGIC EXPRESSION MAPS" from the score

I have put this in the Core audio develloper forum, but .....

Ask for it, more people will ask more there is chance we will have it in 2101 ;(

@Another User said:

Can you send 2 notes for a keyswitch i.e. C0 C1, C0 D1, ......D0 C1, D0 D1...... (you need this to have access to the presets levell II of VSL instruments)