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@clemenshaas said:
it still might be interesting to compare a live performance to a vienna imperial-playback using the midi data created with ceus.
we can arrange that, just send us the midi file created during the ceus session - i'll eat my hat if it doesn't sound exactly the same (depending on microphone position of course)
christian
It does just sound like a natural resonance. In any situation where there is vibration happening certain structures particularly piano strings themselves (even with the dampers in contact) will pick it up.
If you had the Vienna Imperial to hand you could probably isolate the source note or notes.
On many of the pianos I've recorded I've come across particular extraneous noises sometmes they can be damped sometimes you just live with them.
Julian
Thanks for your answer.
Unfotunately i belive it´s way to prominent to be used in a solopiece like this.
I´ve recorded so many pianos over the years and never had a resonance be this loud.
Probably ok for a production with more instruments, but not as is.
Too bad because the piano sounds so freakn great otherwise!
Well that´s just my 2 cents anyway....
Thanks for your time.
Peer
I have a Fatar Studiologic, a Roland 700 and a Clavia Nord stage and the three all reacts differently to the Special Edition Piano.
A friend of mine who is a classical concertist use a Casio Previa.
So many keyboards, so many different actions.
It would be important if in the engine of the new Vienna Imperial we could find a sort of keyboard-meter to measure our MIDI-keyboards responses and to use all the 100 different piano nuances.
the ideal master keyboard will most probably be vienna grand, once it´s available... next to ceus himself, of course.
nothing compares to a real grand piano mechanic.
next best thing would be a yamaha (owner of boesendorfer) silent grand or piano, which i use (yus-5). this is quite good (fantastic key surface), although when turning it "silent", one painfully misses the string reaction.
@clemenshaas said:
the ideal master keyboard will most probably be vienna grand, once it´s available...
Hi Clemens
Is this just wishful thinking or have I missed an announcement somewhere of VSL's intent to produce a master keyboard?
There would appear to be a lack of choice when it comes to currently available MKs and a tried and tested, dedicated (obviously not exclusive) VSL model would be something I'd look out for. I am very interested in Vienna Imperial but as has been pointed out already, I doubt if my present MK, a Studiologic, would do it justice.
Have been disappointed with the Bosendorfer from a personal point of view. Nothing to do with it's quality, more the results I have been able to get from it, especially in the lower midi velocity regions. Not to mention my own shortcomings as a player. [:$]
A lot of the demos are brilliant, as is Jay's Scriabin for the Imperial, but an upgrade to a better keyboard looks a must.
Colin
500gb of uncompressed data.
Jeepers.
This is the bit I don't get... 500GB of data compressed to 50GB.
"The Library contains 500 GB of uncompressed sample data in 44.1kHz/24-bit. Due to a specifically developed optimization process, the Vienna Imperial engine decompresses the samples in real-time, so that they take up only 50 GB of space on your hard disk."
I don't know of any compression algorithms that offer 10 to 1 compression without affecting the data and the sound quality. Apple's lossless is 2 to 1 and a typical iTunes download is 10 to 1 but at mp3 (well ac3) quality. But and 10 to 1 and no loss of data or quality how is this so? If it were possible iTunes downloads could be provided at CD quality at 140bps but they can't be.
Julian
@ct1961 said:
Saying that Julian, with the relatively low cost of a 500GB hard drive these days( got the latest barracuda for under £50) there can't be any good reason for VSL to compromise on quality surely?
Low cost for Harddisk space, yes. But the cost for distributing such a large amount of data as DVDs might be substantial. And juggling this amount of DVDs is horrible. One could ship HDDs instead or offer downloads (see above...)
@ct1961 said:
Saying that Julian, with the relatively low cost of a 500GB hard drive these days( got the latest barracuda for under £50) there can't be any good reason for VSL to compromise on quality surely?
Colin
If you can reduce the data amount stored on a hard disc without affecting the quality there are 2 good points excluding distribution costs.
The data takes up less space, and when streaming hundreds of voices simultaneously the data busses (whether SATA, Firewire, SCSI or USB) have much less chance of being saturated - however there is a trade off in increased CPU demand decoding the audio on the fly.
However I'm still interested in the 10-1 VSL compression claim - no one else, to my knowledge, has got beyond 2-1 without affecting data integrity i.e. not lossless. If they have truly developed a 10-1 algorithm that is lossless then they surely would make more money licensing this to the computer industry than income from the rest of the VSL library put together.
Julian
