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Amazing to me: this piano (the etude) sounds NOTHING like the first demo you posted earlier in the thread. Is it just the different perspective that's making it sound different?
Right, the three different mike setups offer three different piano sounds each with an unique charcteristic.
And of course also the different reverbs offer a different sound.
best
Herb
Thanks Guy. I have loved, played and studied the piano off and on my whole life. I have even played this Scriabin piece on a real piano in real time for my very forgiving wife and cats. But alas my pianistic skills is the real world remain rather meager. This virtual performance owes a debt to one of my favorite pianists of all time-- Vladimir Horowitz. I tried to capture some of his style, his wonderful sense of rhythmic freedom, his sensitivity to the balancing of voices and his amazing variety of tonal colors. Of course there is no substitute for the real genius of Horowitz. But I enjoyed trying to get as close as I could.
Herb, I don't know if it would be possible to make the close-microphone version a separate link or button. This might make it easier for people to find. Just a thought.
Finally, I want to say that this new Vienna Imperial Piano is an amazing instrument and a quantum leap improvement over VSL's previously excellent piano sampling projects. Definitely worth serious consideration!
Best,
Jay
Okay, now we're REALLY talking! The close miked rendering sounds amazing to me.... much more suitable for the kind of work I do. Wow. You should definitely provide a separate "open" button for this rendering. I wasn't thoroughly impressed until I heard this.
Wonderful! Great job Jay, and of course, great job VSL! This is really stunning so far. Look forward to more demos.
Herb, the closed miked version is clipping for some reason. There is distortion in several spots. Not sure if someone can verify that they are experiencing the same thing. Perhaps it happened during the rendering.
O
i´m afraid it´s too late now, since i guess the boesendorfer ceus is no longer standing in the silent hall with all those microphones set up. if i´m wrong about that, please consider my thoughts.
i would have found it VERY interesting to listen to a live performance on this wonderful grand (i had the pleasure to work with it on a film project) classically recorded to tape via the microphones you used when sampling, and then have the midi data transferred from ceus to a pc or mac and then listen to the same performance played back with vienna imperial. this would give a very exact impression on how realistic vienna imperial reacts to live playing.
it is very hard to judge a sampled piano with just demos alone. demos sound good, that´s what they are made for. the crucial part of sampled pianos is how they react to your playing - and thus how they interact with your playing, for you don´t only play with your fingers, but also with your ears. i currently use garritan steinway (master keyboard is a yamaha yus-5 piano), and the sound is beautiful, but it does not do what i feel it should do when i play. this could be an issue of velocity curves, and the importance of this issue might be reduced with the mere number of sampled velocities.
so even if boesendorfer ceus has already been wrapped and delivered home, it still might be interesting to compare a live performance to a vienna imperial-playback using the midi data created with ceus.
@clemenshaas said:
it still might be interesting to compare a live performance to a vienna imperial-playback using the midi data created with ceus.
we can arrange that, just send us the midi file created during the ceus session - i'll eat my hat if it doesn't sound exactly the same (depending on microphone position of course)
christian
It does just sound like a natural resonance. In any situation where there is vibration happening certain structures particularly piano strings themselves (even with the dampers in contact) will pick it up.
If you had the Vienna Imperial to hand you could probably isolate the source note or notes.
On many of the pianos I've recorded I've come across particular extraneous noises sometmes they can be damped sometimes you just live with them.
Julian
Thanks for your answer.
Unfotunately i belive it´s way to prominent to be used in a solopiece like this.
I´ve recorded so many pianos over the years and never had a resonance be this loud.
Probably ok for a production with more instruments, but not as is.
Too bad because the piano sounds so freakn great otherwise!
Well that´s just my 2 cents anyway....
Thanks for your time.
Peer
I have a Fatar Studiologic, a Roland 700 and a Clavia Nord stage and the three all reacts differently to the Special Edition Piano.
A friend of mine who is a classical concertist use a Casio Previa.
So many keyboards, so many different actions.
It would be important if in the engine of the new Vienna Imperial we could find a sort of keyboard-meter to measure our MIDI-keyboards responses and to use all the 100 different piano nuances.
the ideal master keyboard will most probably be vienna grand, once it´s available... next to ceus himself, of course.
nothing compares to a real grand piano mechanic.
next best thing would be a yamaha (owner of boesendorfer) silent grand or piano, which i use (yus-5). this is quite good (fantastic key surface), although when turning it "silent", one painfully misses the string reaction.
@clemenshaas said:
the ideal master keyboard will most probably be vienna grand, once it´s available...
Hi Clemens
Is this just wishful thinking or have I missed an announcement somewhere of VSL's intent to produce a master keyboard?
There would appear to be a lack of choice when it comes to currently available MKs and a tried and tested, dedicated (obviously not exclusive) VSL model would be something I'd look out for. I am very interested in Vienna Imperial but as has been pointed out already, I doubt if my present MK, a Studiologic, would do it justice.
Have been disappointed with the Bosendorfer from a personal point of view. Nothing to do with it's quality, more the results I have been able to get from it, especially in the lower midi velocity regions. Not to mention my own shortcomings as a player. [:$]
A lot of the demos are brilliant, as is Jay's Scriabin for the Imperial, but an upgrade to a better keyboard looks a must.
Colin
500gb of uncompressed data.
Jeepers.
This is the bit I don't get... 500GB of data compressed to 50GB.
"The Library contains 500 GB of uncompressed sample data in 44.1kHz/24-bit. Due to a specifically developed optimization process, the Vienna Imperial engine decompresses the samples in real-time, so that they take up only 50 GB of space on your hard disk."
I don't know of any compression algorithms that offer 10 to 1 compression without affecting the data and the sound quality. Apple's lossless is 2 to 1 and a typical iTunes download is 10 to 1 but at mp3 (well ac3) quality. But and 10 to 1 and no loss of data or quality how is this so? If it were possible iTunes downloads could be provided at CD quality at 140bps but they can't be.
Julian
