@DG said:

Alex, I've also heard that Vista can be slower than XP, but I also have heard that as it "learns" from your workflow, it should speed up over time. However, if the machine is powerful enough, then it probably won't matter. It is generally accepted that OSX is slower than XP, but the few people that I know who are using it on Intel Mac find that it is so much faster than on the PPC variety, that there is no discernable difference when compared with XP on the same machine.

DG

Daryl, you'd be far wiser than i am about this. And if Vista learns and gets faster, then it may well be a real possibility. I'm a strong supporter of software developers protecting their work, and being rewarded for it, but i think the balance has shifted toward the corporations at the expense of niche users like us.
Would i rather windows didn't have IE and the intrusion that goes with that integrated into the program? Definitely, yes.
Would i like to see both Microsoft and Apple offer a 'barebones' version OS with the crap stripped out, and built for speed and power. Definitely, Yes.

I remember using a little program with Win98, called windows lite, that did just this, and the difference in stability and useability was frankly, astonishing. Cubase actually worked! (Of course times have changed since then, lol.)

Vista may well be good, and i hope so for all those chaps who work hard to achieve something in our field. But, and call me cynical if you wish, i don't think our wishes and specific pc requirements figure in the MS/Apple corporate strategy at all, and if development excluded our little band of users, i don't think they'd be that worried.

When i comare what i do now, on my little laptop running OSX, with the time i ran Win98lite, there is no real difference, whatever company propaganda may say, so i'd agree with your assessment, and comparison. And recently, i used a friend's PC with xp sp2 on it, and i got frustrated with the endless stream of notifications, the sudden halts as the 'borg' that is MS assimilated the few keystrokes i'd just put in, and the hoop jumping resquired to keep it going.

Oh, for an os that does what it says on the tin without the 300 page booklet exhtolling the virtues of this or that, with reality offering a less rosy experience.

I caution my remarks with an acknowledgment of bias on my part, that is, a desire to own a basic os without the crap that runs lean, fast and powerful. I don't need games or IE or Mail, or any of that graphic rubbish that tells you when you're smiling, or when to feed the elephant.

Call me old fashioned!

Regards,

Alex.

Alex - Don't get me wrong - I'm not a great fan of windows!!
I just saw the tech's on Vista - and the WaveRT and MMCSS is a major improvement in my opinion.

But that said - if there where Sonar and VSL Linux versions (together with
all the other stuff I use) - I'd propably leave windows at once and never look back.

Alex, I wouldn't say that I'm more knowledgeable about anything! However, there are a lot of scare stories about Vista floating around, and in many cases there is actually no difference from XP (or even OSX). I certainly agree that the people who may suffer are most likely to be the ones who like to change the hardware regularly, although I believe that MS has made a few concessions in this regard, compared with their original intentions. However, I have no desire to re-build my PC once it is running to my satisfaction, so this is unlikely to affect me.

I also like the idea of a slimmed down OS, and still miss using my trusty Acorn, where the OS was in ROM, but as bloating the OS seems to have become the norm these days, I will settle for just being able to use the PC without having to think about the OS.

I guess that I'm old fashioned as well. [:D]

DG

@Sapkiller said:

Alex - Don't get me wrong - I'm not a great fan of windows!!
I just saw the tech's on Vista - and the WaveRT and MMCSS is a major improvement in my opinion.

But that said - if there where Sonar and VSL Linux versions (together with
all the other stuff I use) - I'd propably leave windows at once and never look back.

Lol.

Bjorne, i didn't think you were a fan of windows, so don't worry, your respectability is intact!

I agree with your second point though, not only for Sonar or VSL, but other programs too, and i wouldn't look back, anymore than you would.
I wonder if there are developers out there who would like a more mainstream version of linux, so they can write better code without the restrictions of MS or Apple.

@DG said:

Alex, I wouldn't say that I'm more knowledgeable about anything! However, there are a lot of scare stories about Vista floating around, and in many cases there is actually no difference from XP (or even OSX). I certainly agree that the people who may suffer are most likely to be the ones who like to change the hardware regularly, although I believe that MS has made a few concessions in this regard, compared with their original intentions. However, I have no desire to re-build my PC once it is running to my satisfaction, so this is unlikely to affect me.

I also like the idea of a slimmed down OS, and still miss using my trusty Acorn, where the OS was in ROM, but as bloating the OS seems to have become the norm these days, I will settle for just being able to use the PC without having to think about the OS.

I guess that I'm old fashioned as well. [:D]

DG

Daryl, you're not the only one that misses older kit. I still regret getting rid of the fairlight!
Yes, a slimmed down os seems to be an almost ideal scenario for us, with resource focused on the basics, instead of consumer crap.
Can't see it happening...... [[:|]]

Regards,

Alex.

@Another User said:

but I also have heard that as it "learns" from your workflow

this is an exaggerated wording for a simple feature ... move often used files into the fastest region of your harddisk ... same as OS X does on system drives which are formatted HFS+ journaled

i personally would be a little bit cautious regarding waveRT - they understand *streaming audio* as receiving (continuous) audio streams from a server-source and not in the sense of sample-streaming, i doubt it will be more performant than ASIO

christian

@cm said:

i personally would be a little bit cautious regarding waveRT - they understand *streaming audio* as receiving (continuous) audio streams from a server-source and not in the sense of sample-streaming, i doubt it will be more performant than ASIO

christian

With my limited computer intellect Christian, i understand this as waveRT developing and working based on continual stream, rather than the stop start mechanism of multiple sample streaming.

Is this correct?

Alex.

Is this the new direction of computing?

http://www.konin.ru/index.php?table=10012&id=0011%E2%8A%82=0&template=template_1">http://www.konin.ru/index.php?table=10012&id=0011%E2%8A%82=0&template=template_1

[H]

LOL - seems someone was pretty bored ...

waveRT - that's exactly how i understood the papers

Wow Alex, that is fantastic. I am going to stare at this for the rest of today. This is what we should really be doing with computers.

[[:|]] [[:D]] great machinery - Alex [[:D]]
Do you know what it say's in Russian?

Cm, Alex - you maybe right about the streaming which mostly will benefit recorded tracks - but I think (hope? [[;)]] ) there will be a performance gain in the sample area as well.
If I understand it correctly, the WaveRT operates without changing to kernel mode at each I/O request - as opposed to current portdrivers.

But then again, I'm not sure how the ASIO is operating - might do just as good.

@Sapkiller said:

[[[:|]]] [[:D]] great machinery - Alex [[:D]]
Do you know what it say's in Russian?

lol, i kjnew someone was going to ask me.

Roughly translated, it says:

'At last! Someone managed to present the thinking process of women in simple and clear form.'

But then this is from a nation that goes by the adage:

'Thinking decorates a woman...."

And don't shoot me you ladies out there, i'm only the translator.. [[[:|]]]


Regards,

Alex.

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