@svonkampen said:

Guy,

no...no chance of harming your computer ...

SvK......

I tried what you said:


My computer blew up! [:(]

hahaha
verry funny [;)]

SvK

@Guy said:

I tried what you said: My computer blew up! [:(]

Well, you will have to write better music. They are very sensitive creatures.

yeah, I shouldn't of tried that serial composition... [8o|]

SvK,

Very exciting what you have figured out here! Thanks for sharing the good news.

If one were to use audio interfaces could they use more than two G5's? Of course this means you're buying extra hardware but then you would also have multiple audio channels...

Clark

@clarkcontrol said:

SvK,

Very exciting what you have figured out here! Thanks for sharing the good news.

If one were to use audio interfaces could they use more than two G5's? Of course this means you're buying extra hardware but then you would also have multiple audio channels...

Clark

Or......
It could be worth experiementing with an optical daisy chain.

Master out to slave 1 in.
Slave 1 out to slave 2 in.
Slave 2 out to slave 3 in.
Slave 3 out to Master in.

Given SVK has already indicated there's no latency to speak of, maybe this would work? It would be worth setting the master as clock, and have the slaves sync to that.

Or, do the same thing, and with optical Gigabit ethernet cards (allegedly able to transfer 1000mbs) in each machine all connected to an GB ethernet switch.
(I've seen three in sites whilst researching a network setup, and have been surprised just how little they cost. And of course, not confusing switches with hubs)


It would be worth going to the Euphonix website, and checking out their network diagrams for some other possibilities.
And the controllers are worth looking at too!
(Two vids to see, with Steve Tucher using an MC controller at home, and John Ross sitting in a mixing barn with the full System MC 5 laid out in a row. Definitely worth a look.)

Interesting developments here.

Alex.

Clarkcontrol,

Sure....all you need is some PCI-Card or Firewire Interface with multiple....spdif optical ins and outs


BTW...many have been asking me: "Why the digital from main G5 to SlaveG5?"....well until i hooked that up, i was getting clicks and break-up...so i figured it was clock noise so i rigged that 2nd optical and everything was gravy.

SvK

I'm glad this is working for your application and don't want to be negative, but it's also worth pointing out the limitations of this set-up.

First, apart from having only two outputs, clocking with the Mac's internal audio *and* using lightpipe (a very jittery clock carrier) isn't an audiophile solution. Second, this is only good for two G5s - as soon as you add another Mac or PC, you need sound cards on all the machines.

Finally, Network MIDI is only between G5s running 10.4. I use MIDI Over LAN since it works with PCs as well.

However, as I've posted before, I'm using the digital output of a slave 2x2 as a temporary solution. I've converted its optical S/PDIF to RCA and plugged it into a MOTU box just like all my other machines.

What I wish is that AUNetsend/Receive were fixed, or better yet that Max would finish FX-Teleport for Mac. That would allow a slave Mac to fit in without any hardware at all.

Yeah very good points by Nick. In fact I didn't read past the clock issue ( been thinking about that with this setup) because I realized it must be very solid which will require a quality card. At least midi should be no problem so you can save few bucks there

ok there AudioPhiles,


If I sent you a bounce from the litepipes......and a bounce straight from the G5 .......i say you will not be able to tell the difference....and if your ears can't hear it, it's good enough.....


I know ...you guys are all gonna jump on me for this.........but at some point good enough, really IS good enough.....

jitter, schmitter...it's fine.

SvK

I used to have a room full of EMU4....they were all ADAT litepiped...the scores sounded great.....

but i will concede that if we were to analyse the files ....I'm sure the direct bounce (no pipes)....will be superior, but your ears will not hear it..

SvK

I worked with an engineer once who had to have absolute 0 vu on all his tracks.. 2 -24 tracks with Dolby SR. His productions were clean and had NO dynamic range. So much for Audiophile. I cannot hear the difference between a $ 1000 amp and a 10 thousand dollar one. Except that the more expensive one heats up the entire room. Same with jitter I can't hear it. Yet all these companies want us to spend spend spend.

I don't know about actually hearing jitter but I can hear insufficient clocking without any trouble because it's so pronounced. It just depends on the actual sound. I've never heard what a lightpipe connection sounds like when the lightpipe itself is transmitting the clock. My clocking is all BNC connections to an Aardvark.

dpcon


My Metric Halo Mobile i/o is sending the clock to the 2nd G5


So my main Audio I/O is the master clock
So the 2nd G5 is recieving the clock from my Metric Halo

SvK

That's a nice piece. So the 2nd G5 is getting clock from the Metric Halo via lightpipe with the Metric Halo as the clock source for your whole setup?

I care about eking the best sound quality I can out of my system, but I'm not here to proselytize. Jitter, shmitter - as long as you love your mother...

In theory you won't hear the jitter once you bounce anyway, so if you believe the theory - and I don't, based on nerdfests with several people in severe need of a life spending a few hours listening to this stuff - then it doesn't matter to you anyway.

Plus it looks like I'm not clear on your set-up. If you have an MH box, that's not as bad. I thought you only had a second Mac and no hardware.

dpcon....yeah

SvK

Nic DPcon,

I apologize....I'm being defensive....forgive me [;)]

Here is the deal.....

I have a ULN-2 Metric Halo as the main i/0 on my main G5....It's IS the clock.......however.......the Optical SpDIF on the ULN/2 is already being used by my Lexi PCM 91......so I used aggregate device to include the digital built-ins on the G5's.......since I am using in/out AND out/in on both G5's the clock of the Metric Halo is being recieved by the slave MAC.

SvK

Audio Quality is very important to me........

I also have 2 "Gold Channels", which consist of 2 vintech X73 neve clone pre-amps with EQ, followed by 2 re-issue black face 1176's. I also run 2 channels of Chandler's "Abbey Road" re-issues. The Pre's and the limiter (tG series)

(getting sick of not owning a proper stereo 1176 though) [;)]

SvK


BTW: OFFTOPIC just have to share.....If you run the harp samples from VSL through Guitar Distortion you can clone that "Once Upon A Time In The West" gutar sound from Ennio Morriccone perfectly.

svk,

No problem at all. As I said I'm very interested in this setup because I plan on doing something like it. Very soon after you posted I began thinking about clocking and I now know how your doing it. Not sure what I'll do but it's nice to know what the options are and what people are using with success. Your enthusiasm is very apprectiated as are your detailed posts.

Don't pay too much attention to Nick, he's a deeply troubled man who happens to be the founder and editor of the best magazine on VI's et. al., Virtual Instruments Magazine which is a must read for people like us.