Okay! I guess then I must be psychotic and institutionalized also!

So Thor, maybe we could play a game of chess after we get our medication...

Thor (and I now use the name VERY ironically - the real Thor, standing next to Odin, would be disgusted with this pathetic lameass daring to use his name and start sharpening his mighty axe):

"Ignorance is bliss"

What ignorance are you referring to? Specifically?

William
You are correct in trying to decifer the salesman from the real issue. Often plants are themselves not aware. Marketing!!!.For Example NBC is owned by the PC computer. If you work for that bunch of people , you automatically are in a sales frenzy for your product. Good serious point to make. I offten get tired of trying to decifer myself.

I hope
I didn't offend NBC. among others to speak of.
Thanks.!

Perhaps I am being led on by someone who is under corporate mind-control. however, I theorize now he is actually an attempt at corporate sabotage. What else can one assume from such irrational statements?

His imperviousness to arguments that utterly destroy everything he said is quite strange. And he actually seems not to notice things that disintegrate the very ground he stands upon.

One can assume only treachery; or perhaps - I admit it - utter, abyssmal, and wretched stupidity.

Of course I mean this only in a positive, caring way. I wish everyone here only the best of help. Which may include that of a psychiatric nature, of course. Perhaps some de-programming might be in order?


"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."

Déjà vu! "The Shining" [6] [6] [6] [6] [6]

Excellent point Guy!

Mr. Jack Thorrance is right now, at this very moment, writing that quote in many different ways among his pages of frenziedly typewritten sheets. But somehow, he can't believe it. He has to go on with the Madness. Because he is already a part of the Overlook.

(BTW - I am terribly sorry to have mentioned Thor's axe. I meant Thor's HAMMER of course! And polishing it, not sharpening it.)

Where is the post where I say that SAMPLES HAVE to be recorded with a Hall...?

You can record them however you want to, Sir William ...because for you it won't matter if an Orch is recorded in a great Room or a shitty one...

Please William, learn how to read...because you have missed the point ...the bus has left...

go back to the beginning of the thread and read it...maybe you get it then...

Hey Guy...you warned me, now I believe you....this is nuts !!

I am now a salesguy from EQLS or whatever its called...HAHA !!!

Yes, William...I am trying to sell EWest products - YOU GOT ME !! Shoot....

Well, no one knows me around here so.. I won't be as blunt as I am usually known for.

I just think there is an important underlying issue here. More important than making music.. more important than the technology behind it.. more important than ANYTHING. Protecting your ego. [8-)] I wont name names, because I don't want to seem like I'm taking sides. it rhymes with Chore though. [:P]

I hear and appreciate what Chore is saying. It's valid, but not absolute. I just think that is more of a personal taste. That's Cool. Personally I tend to agree with uh.. Tilliam. I think the point is simply this.. you have more flexability with dryer samples, than with wet ones. I'd personaly rather have better, more pro sounding samples (vsl).

I do think the that some of vsl's samples could have more POWER. That would be a valid argument. But, this is being addressed with the epic series. Epic strings should be stellar. Anyway.. continue on Chore and Tilliam. I'm baking some tollhouse cookies, and I want to enjoy them while you guys keep ripping each other to shreds. [:D]

I have just lost respect for this forum, I could of got out of line a few times myself, but some of you are degrading childishly this forum! Can't someone make a point here without others feeling threatened? The person who's name rhymes with core, NEVER initiated any attacks, to anybody, but just very amicably tried to make a point. And when 2 people are going head to head we don't need a third person (no names, but he enjoys rhymes) to take sides by adding provocative crap, that is totally childish. You can't help believing that there are alliances in this forum....
I have been with this forum for a year and I'm beginning to see the real colors of some. I know for a fact that some very bright people have left because of crap like this, if Thor doesn't get any more respect, even though he doesn't need my help, than I'm out.

And this doesn't mean this discussion should end here. The issue is not the topic but the way it's dealt with. Believe it or not, I had warned Thor what would happen if he opened that can of worm, and guess what?

[:D]
Thanks Guy for your kind words...if these "members" would have something to say that has anything to do with the subject matter (other than trying to bash on me in order to make themselves feel better) , I would be inclined to respond and engage in a technical/musical discussion between pros who know what they are talking about. But that's not possible with many of the latter posted "Members"

These guys are just not worth the time...

So Kubel, enjoy the cookies, no shredding on my behalf, I will leave that up to William and his Posse who seems to enjoy shredding...knock yourself out !! -

And just as a tip Kugelmeister: The discussion wasn't about flexibility of dry samples vs wet samples...please, if you want to join in here and add something useful, stop rhyming, go back and read all those other posts...you won't believe how all this got started. And also, don't be scared - you can use my name, you don't have to rhyme. Although, those rhymes where kinda funny...definitely got me smiling benignly.

[:)]

@Guy said:

I take it that this conversation will stay civil from beginning to end. [:)]

Look when I wrote that sentence. Before all this got out of hands, before the attacks, the insults, the rudeness etc...

Why did I say that? Because it seems everytime someone dares to challenge VSLs slight imperfection regarding the warmth of their sound, people seem to go bananas! "Oh my gosh how can he say that VSL tend to lack warmth???!"..... Well, I'm sorry but that's how I feel, that's what my ears hear and Herb, I'm not at all insecure in saying that to you as much as your product is the best on the market. [:D]

@Thor said:

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Thanks Guy for your kind words...if these "members" would have something to say that has anything to do with the subject matter (other than trying to bash on me in order to make themselves feel better) , I would be inclined to respond and engage in a technical/musical discussion between pros who know what they are talking about. But that's not possible with many of the latter posted "Members"

These guys are just not worth the time...

So Kubel, enjoy the cookies, no shredding on my behalf, I will leave that up to William and his Posse who seems to enjoy shredding...knock yourself out !! -

And just as a tip Kugelmeister: The discussion wasn't about flexibility of dry samples vs wet samples...please, if you want to join in here and add something useful, stop rhyming, go back and read all those other posts...you won't believe how all this got started. And also, don't be scared - you can use my name, you don't have to rhyme. Although, those rhymes where kinda funny...definitely got me smiling benignly.

[:)]

WOW. Ok.. I touched a few nerves.

Wet vs dry.. semantics. Fair enough? I think understand the topic just fine. Guy, I wasn't attacking anyone. I was actually trying to lighten things up, whilst offering my own opinion. I just call some things like I see it. I'm not on anyone's side. Btw.. I'm probably more of a pro than you care to jump to conclusions about. [[;)]]

Anyway go make music.. And stop whining.. *Just Kidding*.

Your pal TubeImage. [[[[[:D]]]]] [[[[[:D]]]]] [[[[[:D]]]]] [[[[[:D]]]]]

@Guy said:

I take it that this conversation will stay civil from beginning to end. [:)]

Look when I wrote that sentence. Before all this got out of hands, before the attacks, the insults, the rudeness etc...

Why did I say that? Because it seems everytime someone dares to challenge VSLs slight imperfection regarding the warmth of their sound, people seem to go bananas! "Oh my gosh how can he say that VSL tend to lack warmth???!"..... Well, I'm sorry but that's how I feel, that's what my ears hear and Herb, I'm not at all insecure in saying that to you as much as your product is the best on the market. [:D]


Very well said - I second it.

Kubel,

its all good ! You weren't around when the going got tough...hehe...so by the time you entered here, everybody was on edge already, a very unstable environment waiting to explode....

Cheers !
[[;)]]

@Thor said:

[...] ...the VSL is great, I agree...but if you want to do Lord of the Rings... [...]

There are people silently reading this forum from time to time who know _good_ stories to tell in this respect, believe me. [H]

I thought I heard Epic Horns in LOTR but couldn't really say. I can't imagine there are many A list guys who don't have the library.

Thor
I'll discuss this issue with you further, because there does seems to be a point here that is something new. You mentioned that if you compare reel orchestra recordings, they have an airiness to them, which is a valid point to make. But you know what, that airiness is soft or easy listening. which means if you can control music even more, then you can make a better statement with it. Take mixing for rock & roll for example, you mix for effectivness, which is similar to making the speakers jump. That is what sounds better for that genre, and what causes sales. If you can make speakers jump with clearity in the Classical or Orchestra venue, then thats somthing completely new, and which it is. The Bach VSL recordings on this sight are much more effective and moving than the usual standard recordings of real performances. This is because of the constrained and limited recordings done with a live setting. So here, trying to carbon copy a live real sound is misleading, I think and totaly new. and needs addressing. Then again if you add the surround sound capabilities, thats just around the corner. Imagine taking the woodwinds and making a merry go round effect with them along with the composition. Thats new grounds that I've been waiting for. The future looks exciting. That is if you don't get attacked. I'm getting off know before I get hurt.

Sincerly

@Guy said:

Can't someone make a point here without others feeling threatened?

[in a very soft soothing tone]

Don't worry, I'll look after you.

And apart from that


THIS THREAD ROCKS!!!

@hermitage59 said:

The VI is outstanding, and contrary to what's been said, the standard edition libraries are custom built for the VI, not upgrades.
Alex.

Custom built? Yes?
Using sample material that i already have paid for using? Yes.

seems that there's more than one viewpoint amough the users. [;)]

tele

@Thor said:

well, how many times do you need an Orchestra with no Hall sound - are you gonna record 80 people in your bathroom - come on !!

It makes VSL a great option to use in many contemporary styles, where one would like to be able to have very little ambience.


To me, Chamber Strings are 2nd to none, when it comes to throwing in strings in pop, rock, HipHop, soul, whatsover...

tele

It's cool to see how we've upgraded this thread back to "normal conversation [H] ".

Thanks! [:)] Thanks! [:D] Thanks! [:D]

I guess I'll stay. We all know I'm much too important to leave this forum... [:O]ops: [*-)] [:O]ops: