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  • Kawai VPC1 Sustain Pedal issues with Synchron Player.

    I just bought the VPC1, and there is an issue with the Kawai F-30 sustain pedal and sending continuous CC#64 messages. I have replaced the pedal thanks to Sweetwater, but the issues still exist. I have tested in other VST instruments, like East West Play with their pianos, and there is no issues. I have tried in Pianotecq 8, and there are no issues there either. It is only in Synchron pianos. I then updated and my next battle is to try and figure out why my samples wont load now....


  • Hi,

    What did you update before it stopped working?


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • @Paul said:

    Hi,


    What did you update before it stopped working?


    I attempted to update the Synchron Pianos 1.1.1555 to the new player which showed up in Vienna Assistant, 1.3.453, but that did not work at all. So I downgraded back, and my piano works again. But the CC#64 sustain does not work. The continuous messages turn the sustain pedal off and on very rapidly. It's unusable it appears with the VPC1. I have been researching this trying to find a solution, because I love my Synchron piano, and was thinking about buying the Fazioli, but I may have to wait till I can figure out why this is happening and a solution to it.


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    There is a known set of issues with the Fatar F-30 pedal set which was fixed with a new optical model for the Kawai SE series but not for the VPC1. The F-30 sends out steps - ie it is not truly continuous - only 4 or 5 jump steps. This may be the cause of interference with Synchron expecting a smooth 0-127 transition.

    Most pro VPC1 musicians employ a Roland DP10 direct into the stereo pedal and this gives reliable CC64 0-127 output, and just use the sus and soft pedals as on/off switches - which is all they are anyway.

    If using a Yamaha or Korg half pedal then a polarity reversal switch is needed.

    Such as -

    https://beatbars.com/en/dual-to-midi.html

    they also sell usb switches which would cure the issues if recording to a DAW. And allow multi pedal arrays via usb.

    Perhaps this link may help if you wish to modify the F-30 - it works and can greatly improve things - and give you 3 continuous pedals. Read this -

    https://www.hackster.io/costis/usb-standalone-triple-piano-pedal-kawai-f-30-hack-e626b6

    Also F. Lachnit modified Fatar pedals for his keyboards. These work well with PianoteQ.
    He supplied the original 96 note MK22 to VSL. He has a new 76 note keyboard out just now.
    He may have some old Fatar pedals that could be modified for your use. Or other suggestions.
    It may be worth asking for his help.

    http://www.flkeys.at

    Lastly you may find that you wish to discuss things with Kawai and I
    would recommend you contact the company via their Global website:

    https://www.kawai-global.com/support_e/enquiry/


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    @valcush said:

    There is a known set of issues with the Fatar F-30 pedal set which was fixed with a new optical model for the Kawai SE series but not for the VPC1. The F-30 sends out steps - ie it is not truly continuous - only 4 or 5 jump steps. This may be the cause of interference with Synchron expecting a smooth 0-127 transition.


    Most pro VPC1 musicians employ a Roland DP10 direct into the stereo pedal and this gives reliable CC64 0-127 output, and just use the sus and soft pedals as on/off switches - which is all they are anyway.


    If using a Yamaha or Korg half pedal then a polarity reversal switch is needed.


    Such as -


    https://beatbars.com/en/dual-to-midi.html


    they also sell usb switches which would cure the issues if recording to a DAW. And allow multi pedal arrays via usb.


    Perhaps this link may help if you wish to modify the F-30 - it works and can greatly improve things - and give you 3 continuous pedals. Read this -


    https://www.hackster.io/costis/usb-standalone-triple-piano-pedal-kawai-f-30-hack-e626b6


    Also F. Lachnit modified Fatar pedals for his keyboards. These work well with PianoteQ.
    He supplied the original 96 note MK22 to VSL. He has a new 76 note keyboard out just now.
    He may have some old Fatar pedals that could be modified for your use. Or other suggestions.
    It may be worth asking for his help.


    http://www.flkeys.at


    Lastly you may find that you wish to discuss things with Kawai and I
    would recommend you contact the company via their Global website:

    https://www.kawai-global.com/support_e/enquiry/

    Thank you for the great post, I will review these solutions. Thank you for taking the time to answer and provide such great information!

    I will look into this.