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  • MackerM
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    KeplersConundrum, you're right: of course switching MIDI In Ports to Off blocks everything - including MIDI keyboards!

    Sorry about my stupid mistake - working long into the nights on a major design update of my monster subsystem in Logic's Environment is not conducive to clear thinking during the day! I'd forgotten I typically don't use my keyboards at all when working with symphonic scores and so usually have all MIDI In Ports off to catch any accidentally unmanaged loops in my Environment design (which actually relies on carefully managed IAC Bus loops using non-standard routing).

    Anyway, it's interesting that you've not eliminated stuck notes by switching off all MIDI In ports. And I agree with your pragmatic decision to shelve VEP, at least until we know the stuck note problem with Logic & VEP AU3 in Apple Silicon is history.

    BTW I'm working with latest VEP AU3 with latest Logic in latest Ventura on an Intel iMac and haven't yet encountered stuck notes (although of course that's of no direct relevance to the issue in your Apple Silicon machine).
  • Dewdman42D
    Dewdman42D

    @ravez said:

    AUX are working fine for me with VEP AU3, also no hanging notes, but i'm on Intel, Ventura, Logic 10.8.1, multiple instances, ports and channels

    You are not specifically saying whether you are talking about using AUX "tracks", which is what I was referring to. AUX "tracks" are an undocumented way with AU2 multi-timbral instruments to create aux tracks for feeding the multi-timbral instrument, rather then the normal way. we're not talk about the AUX audio outs here, we are talking about AUX midi tracks. They do not work properly with AU3 instruments, at least as of 10.7.9, they do not provide a midi out port in the track inspector. If the OP is attempting to use that undocumented feature I would take it out of the scenario for now.

  • Dewdman42D
    Dewdman42D

    Based on the feedback from others that Logicpro 10.8.1 (intel) is working without hanging notes in AU3, I really think we have to isolate this issue down to either (A) Apple Silicon, or (B) something about the specific way the OP has their LogicPro template setup which is not immediately clear right now based on the descriptions so far.

    Its not immediately clear to me right now that VePro is the culprit, but it might be. But we don't have enough information right now about the LogicPro project. But it does seem there are relatively few people reporting this kind of problem, and many others are not reporting this problem, but it does seem that Apple Silicon is a requirement for replicating the reported problem in some way.
  • ravezR
    ravezR

    @Dewdman42 said:


    @ravez said:

    AUX are working fine for me with VEP AU3, also no hanging notes, but i'm on Intel, Ventura, Logic 10.8.1, multiple instances, ports and channels


    You are not specifically saying whether you are talking about using AUX "tracks", which is what I was referring to. AUX "tracks" are an undocumented way with AU2 multi-timbral instruments to create aux tracks for feeding the multi-timbral instrument, rather then the normal way. we're not talk about the AUX audio outs here, we are talking about AUX midi tracks. They do not work properly with AU3 instruments, at least as of 10.7.9, they do not provide a midi out port in the track inspector. If the OP is attempting to use that undocumented feature I would take it out of the scenario for now.

    got it, thanks for explaining, i see what you mean now
  • K
    K
    @Dewdman42 said:

    Based on the feedback from others that Logicpro 10.8.1 (intel) is working without hanging notes in AU3, I really think we have to isolate this issue down to either (A) Apple Silicon, or (B) something about the specific way the OP has their LogicPro template setup which is not immediately clear right now based on the descriptions so far.


    Its not immediately clear to me right now that VePro is the culprit, but it might be. But we don't have enough information right now about the LogicPro project. But it does seem there are relatively few people reporting this kind of problem, and many others are not reporting this problem, but it does seem that Apple Silicon is a requirement for replicating the reported problem in some way.


    I'll try to make it clearer for you how I'm setting things up. I create one instance in vePro. I add one instance of Kontakt. I add one instrument in Kontakt with MIDI channel 1 on that instrument, going out of MIDI Port 1 in vePro. I create one Instrument track in Logic. I connect it to an AU3 vePro instance. Track settings in Logic are - MIDI Out Channel 1, MIDI Out Port 1. I input some MIDI notes. I hit play. When the playhead reaches the last note, instead of receiving a proper Off Note, the last note continues to play.

    Hopefully that clears up how I'm setting things up and some of what's happening. I'm not doing any crazy routing, not working with a zillion tracks here. Hanging notes happen with a simple one instrument test with this system.

    As for the AUX MIDI tracks, I had no clue they were broken in these latest versions of Logic. Good to know and hopefully that gets sorted sooner rather than later.

  • Dewdman42D
    Dewdman42D

    humor me and extend the end of the region beyond the end of the last note.
  • Dewdman42D
    Dewdman42D

    I really doubt that is it though. I tried to recreate exactly your scenario above and no hanging notes. I put logging plugin both in logicPro and inside VePro...Last NoteOff comes in no problem for me here... So I don't know what is different for it, it's very strange. Can you make sure the plugin used inside VePro is native Apple Silicon?
  • K
    K

    @Dewdman42 said:

    humor me and extend the end of the region beyond the end of the last note.

    Note continues to hang with extended region and beyond.

    @Dewdman42 said:

    I really doubt that is it though. I tried to recreate exactly your scenario above and no hanging notes. I put logging plugin both in logicPro and inside VePro...Last NoteOff comes in no problem for me here... So I don't know what is different for it, it's very strange. Can you make sure the plugin used inside VePro is native Apple Silicon?

    Running the most up-to-date versions of Kontakt 7 and SINE, which are both Silicon native now. Both players and any instrument I add to them create hanging notes.

  • Dewdman42D
    Dewdman42D

    I'm out of ideas at this point. Hope either Apple or VSL can figure it out.

  • Dewdman42D
    Dewdman42D

    its also really weird that its only the last note that is left hanging.
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