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  • VEPRO and Apple Silicon M1

    So... when will VEPRO have native support for Apple Silicon? Thanks! Dan

  •   Bumping this. More specifically when will the VEP plug in be Apple Silicon compatible? is progress being made on the port?

    I understand the full slave VEP Server will probably take some time, but if we can get the AU/VST/MAS/AAX plug in up and running, then we can use our old computers to host plug ins in VEP Pro. 


  • Hi!

    This is not an "official" answer, but from what I've heard so far VEP (and more) runs great with Rosetta 2 on the Apple Silicon.
    Our devs are on it, still, we can't provide any ETAs at the moment.

    Best, Ben


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • Any update on Rosetta and/or native M1 support? 


  • Any update on this?  I work in DP and the MAS VEP plugin isn't recognized - I'm assuming because Rosetta 2 can't translate MAS, only AU??  (at least that's what the folks at MOTU told me).  Would really love to be able to test VEP7 - MAS plugin on AS (even if the server itself needs to run on an older slave mac for now.  Thanks.

    Cheers,

    Evan


  • I would buy VE Pro the day the universal plugin app is released…


  • To VSL management:

    Here is how another music software company announced the transition to M1. Honestly, openly (about bugs), and it feels like the guys are really going to make it. Just in case if you are interested: https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057137692-Apple-Silicon-M1-Compatibility-Info


  • Hi alexandr, 

    That's a very nice page! 

    What are you trying to say?

    Best,
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi alexandr, 

    That's a very nice page! 

    What are you trying to say?

    Best,
    Paul

    Thank you! Feel free to grab a cup of tea or coffee. ☕️

    Let me try to explain what I am trying to say. I forgot that you are not Apple products user.

    Apple Silicon is a game-changer innovation and everybody who likes Mac OS will move to it starting this year and it moving to it will continue next year exponentially. Why?

    Performance is amazing!

    Two Mac Mini M1 (2x$800) have the same performance as one top Mac Pro ($18000) from 2018-2019. But the price is 10 times lower.

    Yeah, many apps can work using Rosetta, but they are slower than on Intel. I watched the video on youtube where one guy compared computer load on his DAW on an old Macbook and a new Macbook M1. M1 with Rosetta was slower.

    So only apps that are developed especially for M1 (arm architecture) have 2x faster performance comparing to Intel computers.

    Now it's a time when software developers work hard on making the M1 version if they are interested in Apple users. Pro Tools already did that (https://www.musicradar.com/news/pro-tools-2021-m1-macs). It's challenging and probably even inconvenient, but it's what everybody will have to do anyway. Sooner or later. We both know in the music industry Apple computers are quite popular. Apple Silicon is almost one year on the market and Apple announced that they are keen to get rid of Intel processors in all their products by the end of 2022.

    So what I tried to say is probably: "Hey, guys. Give us a little bit of information about when you are going to start work on this so we can plan which computers to buy and which software to use next year. Look at other companies, they made press releases about this. Where is yours? It's fine if you don't want to develop products for Mac. Just say that so we all go to buy a Windows PC".

    Something like that. With a sense of humor mostly. Don't take too close to your heart. We all know VSL are hard workers. However, the problem exists, and would be great to have a clarification. That's all that customers want from you for now.

    Cheers!


  • I too am waiting for M1 Apple Silicon support.  I recently upgraded to a Mac Mini M1 (16GB ram) from a Late 2012 Mac Mini (i7 16GB ram) and am surprised that I do not see any improved performance.  I would really think that I could get better performance if it was not going through Rosetta 2.

    I am using the Stand Alone Player with the Standard Yamaha piano and use it for performance, so latency and stability is critical.

    Please accelerate support for Apple Silicon.  Thank you.


  • Maybe they'll work on it after transitioning to ilok.


  • I guess I don't really see the urgency for M1 support, at least in it's current state.  Since RAM is built into the CPU and isn't upgradable, the biggest M1 you can get is 16GB.  If the main advantage of VE Pro is to be able to use more RAM than you can with either one server (or in the case of Kontakt on ProTools, to get large sample sets out of ProTools), then 16GB isn't nearly enough to justify use of VE Pro.


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    @alt.dislocation said:

    I guess I don't really see the urgency for M1 support, at least in it's current state.  Since RAM is built into the CPU and isn't upgradable, the biggest M1 you can get is 16GB.  If the main advantage of VE Pro is to be able to use more RAM than you can with either one server (or in the case of Kontakt on ProTools, to get large sample sets out of ProTools), then 16GB isn't nearly enough to justify use of VE Pro.

    I don't seem to have an issue with RAM, but my CPU keeps hitting 100% and glitching.  Since I play live, I can't get latency low enough without hitting 100% CPU (I'm at 128 latency setting and get CPU peaking at times when playing big classical pieces).  Even on my Mac Pro with 128GB RAM, I hit the same CPU peaking.  Even at a setting of 59 voices/mic and 4 voices/key, i get occasional glitching on my Mac Mini M1.  I'm happy to share more of my setpoints if anyone thinks that I should be getting better performance out of this machine.


  • As a followup, I am seeing identical performance on both my late 2012 Mac Mini i7 and my new 2021 Mac Mini M1 with no performance improvements on the new M1.  This is a little surprising given that I receive CPU overloads on both with identical settings.

    I look forward to seeing an update that utilizes the M1 architecture.


  •  One thing that's missing from this conversation in general is this. It would be absolutely fantastic to get the plug in VEP in VST, MAS, AU etc. ported to Apple Silicon first. this seem entirely possible and solves a major issue with Apple Silicon Macs in general, i.e. you could run your DAW (well most DAWs at this point anyway), in native and host x86 plug ins on a VEP server on an older Mac or PC.  

     I'm actually kind of shocked this isn't or doesn't seem to be the plan? Most of use obviously have an older Mac or PC with enough RAM, the new M1s anyway are a bit short on RAM, but the idea of being able to offload x86 plug ins, in some cases permanently (Alchemy, older versions of plug ins etc.), with VEP  makes total sense. 

    I will probably end up using the AU version, but as a DP user I really want to use the amazing MAS version on the Apple Silicon Macs, reducing the possibility of incompatibility and exponentially upping track count! 


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    I came here to search for and inquire about exactly this scenario - an M1 running the host sequencer, with VEPro on high-RAM slaves.   All we need is the VEP plugin to work (MAS for me, AU for others). 

    I am considering adding an M1 for exactly this purpose, but if native support is months away for VEPro plugins (server can wait), I might not get an M1 and add another slave instead.

    @Michael Canavan said:

     One thing that's missing from this conversation in general is this. It would be absolutely fantastic to get the plug in VEP in VST, MAS, AU etc. ported to Apple Silicon first. this seem entirely possible and solves a major issue with Apple Silicon Macs in general, i.e. you could run your DAW (well most DAWs at this point anyway), in native and host x86 plug ins on a VEP server on an older Mac or PC. 


  •   Yeah I have to say I don't get it at all? 

    If Vienna released the VEP plug in as native Apple Silicon, they could make a strong argument for new customers to purchase VEP7 to run plug ins on their old machines as VEP slaves, that currently do not work in M1 macs.

     Currently it seems that the plug in works as an x86 under Rosetta, but it's mixed results. The MAS version doesn't work for instance. 

     I just think it's weird, I would think getting the plug in version of VEP out quickly would be a priority, but I don't know the mechanisms at place. 


  • Agreed, first order of business is the plugin, one may simply use slaves for the samples, being able to instantiate VEP on the host machine is only truly needed if the local host is all there is.


  • Since the new Macbook Pros can have up to 64GB of RAM, there is increased reason for VSL to make a Silicon-native version of VEP.


  • Looking forward for apple silicon support