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    @Paul said:

    Hi alexandr, 

    That's a very nice page! 

    What are you trying to say?

    Best,
    Paul

    Thank you! Feel free to grab a cup of tea or coffee. ☕️

    Let me try to explain what I am trying to say. I forgot that you are not Apple products user.

    Apple Silicon is a game-changer innovation and everybody who likes Mac OS will move to it starting this year and it moving to it will continue next year exponentially. Why?

    Performance is amazing!

    Two Mac Mini M1 (2x$800) have the same performance as one top Mac Pro ($18000) from 2018-2019. But the price is 10 times lower.

    Yeah, many apps can work using Rosetta, but they are slower than on Intel. I watched the video on youtube where one guy compared computer load on his DAW on an old Macbook and a new Macbook M1. M1 with Rosetta was slower.

    So only apps that are developed especially for M1 (arm architecture) have 2x faster performance comparing to Intel computers.

    Now it's a time when software developers work hard on making the M1 version if they are interested in Apple users. Pro Tools already did that (https://www.musicradar.com/news/pro-tools-2021-m1-macs). It's challenging and probably even inconvenient, but it's what everybody will have to do anyway. Sooner or later. We both know in the music industry Apple computers are quite popular. Apple Silicon is almost one year on the market and Apple announced that they are keen to get rid of Intel processors in all their products by the end of 2022.

    So what I tried to say is probably: "Hey, guys. Give us a little bit of information about when you are going to start work on this so we can plan which computers to buy and which software to use next year. Look at other companies, they made press releases about this. Where is yours? It's fine if you don't want to develop products for Mac. Just say that so we all go to buy a Windows PC".

    Something like that. With a sense of humor mostly. Don't take too close to your heart. We all know VSL are hard workers. However, the problem exists, and would be great to have a clarification. That's all that customers want from you for now.

    Cheers!
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    I too am waiting for M1 Apple Silicon support.  I recently upgraded to a Mac Mini M1 (16GB ram) from a Late 2012 Mac Mini (i7 16GB ram) and am surprised that I do not see any improved performance.  I would really think that I could get better performance if it was not going through Rosetta 2.

    I am using the Stand Alone Player with the Standard Yamaha piano and use it for performance, so latency and stability is critical.

    Please accelerate support for Apple Silicon.  Thank you.
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    Maybe they'll work on it after transitioning to ilok.
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    I guess I don't really see the urgency for M1 support, at least in it's current state.  Since RAM is built into the CPU and isn't upgradable, the biggest M1 you can get is 16GB.  If the main advantage of VE Pro is to be able to use more RAM than you can with either one server (or in the case of Kontakt on ProTools, to get large sample sets out of ProTools), then 16GB isn't nearly enough to justify use of VE Pro.
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    @alt.dislocation said:

    I guess I don't really see the urgency for M1 support, at least in it's current state.  Since RAM is built into the CPU and isn't upgradable, the biggest M1 you can get is 16GB.  If the main advantage of VE Pro is to be able to use more RAM than you can with either one server (or in the case of Kontakt on ProTools, to get large sample sets out of ProTools), then 16GB isn't nearly enough to justify use of VE Pro.

    I don't seem to have an issue with RAM, but my CPU keeps hitting 100% and glitching.  Since I play live, I can't get latency low enough without hitting 100% CPU (I'm at 128 latency setting and get CPU peaking at times when playing big classical pieces).  Even on my Mac Pro with 128GB RAM, I hit the same CPU peaking.  Even at a setting of 59 voices/mic and 4 voices/key, i get occasional glitching on my Mac Mini M1.  I'm happy to share more of my setpoints if anyone thinks that I should be getting better performance out of this machine.
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    As a followup, I am seeing identical performance on both my late 2012 Mac Mini i7 and my new 2021 Mac Mini M1 with no performance improvements on the new M1.  This is a little surprising given that I receive CPU overloads on both with identical settings.

    I look forward to seeing an update that utilizes the M1 architecture.
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     One thing that's missing from this conversation in general is this. It would be absolutely fantastic to get the plug in VEP in VST, MAS, AU etc. ported to Apple Silicon first. this seem entirely possible and solves a major issue with Apple Silicon Macs in general, i.e. you could run your DAW (well most DAWs at this point anyway), in native and host x86 plug ins on a VEP server on an older Mac or PC.  

     I'm actually kind of shocked this isn't or doesn't seem to be the plan? Most of use obviously have an older Mac or PC with enough RAM, the new M1s anyway are a bit short on RAM, but the idea of being able to offload x86 plug ins, in some cases permanently (Alchemy, older versions of plug ins etc.), with VEP  makes total sense. 

    I will probably end up using the AU version, but as a DP user I really want to use the amazing MAS version on the Apple Silicon Macs, reducing the possibility of incompatibility and exponentially upping track count! 
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    I came here to search for and inquire about exactly this scenario - an M1 running the host sequencer, with VEPro on high-RAM slaves.   All we need is the VEP plugin to work (MAS for me, AU for others). 

    I am considering adding an M1 for exactly this purpose, but if native support is months away for VEPro plugins (server can wait), I might not get an M1 and add another slave instead.

    @Michael Canavan said:

     One thing that's missing from this conversation in general is this. It would be absolutely fantastic to get the plug in VEP in VST, MAS, AU etc. ported to Apple Silicon first. this seem entirely possible and solves a major issue with Apple Silicon Macs in general, i.e. you could run your DAW (well most DAWs at this point anyway), in native and host x86 plug ins on a VEP server on an older Mac or PC. 

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      Yeah I have to say I don't get it at all? 

    If Vienna released the VEP plug in as native Apple Silicon, they could make a strong argument for new customers to purchase VEP7 to run plug ins on their old machines as VEP slaves, that currently do not work in M1 macs.

     Currently it seems that the plug in works as an x86 under Rosetta, but it's mixed results. The MAS version doesn't work for instance. 

     I just think it's weird, I would think getting the plug in version of VEP out quickly would be a priority, but I don't know the mechanisms at place. 
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    Agreed, first order of business is the plugin, one may simply use slaves for the samples, being able to instantiate VEP on the host machine is only truly needed if the local host is all there is.
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    Since the new Macbook Pros can have up to 64GB of RAM, there is increased reason for VSL to make a Silicon-native version of VEP.
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    Looking forward for apple silicon support
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    This really can't come soon enough.  Truly begging for VEP native Apple Silicon  at this point and sending all the good vibes/well wishes and anticipatory gratitude to the amazing programmers at VSL to make this happen!  (especially MAS for DP which is already ARM native!).
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    @evang42 said:

    This really can't come soon enough.  Truly begging for VEP native Apple Silicon  at this point and sending all the good vibes/well wishes and anticipatory gratitude to the amazing programmers at VSL to make this happen!  (especially MAS for DP which is already ARM native!).

    There with you. I would love MAS support, I've only had an M1 Air for a few days now but it just really does seem to be ridiculously solid. The only three Rosetta devices so far are VEP, Slate Raven and dependent libraries in UPDD and V-Control Pro, and Amplitube. Waiting impatiently for native versions. 
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    +1 for a MAS version that would allow me to work in DP as I’m accustomed to. VEP itself seems to be running fine for folks in Rosetta, so at this point the lack of a compatible MAS VEP plugin is the biggest stumbling block to my getting a M1 Mac. All my templates rely on the functionality it provides. I’m not sure how it relates to the timeline for a MAS plugin, but I’ve read elsewhere that Monterey and native support will come sometime after VEP’s transition to iLok.
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     Update is out, still no M1 support. 
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    It's really sad, and in my opinion poor customer relations that VSL have provided no information on their plans and timeline for M1 compatibility for about a year now.

    I've always felt that VSL is a PC centric company from comments by the developers/programmers. It's likely they develop on PC first and then port over to MacOS which often results in disregard of Mac development guidelines and aesthetic issues as well as slow adoption when Apple makes changes to the OS.

    They are not willing to officially say so, but I do believe VSL would actually prefer if everyone just used PCs.
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    Hi guys, 

    We'd love to get to M1 upport right away and it is high on our list, but the transition to iLok is our top priority right now. 

    All our developers are working on Mac and have done so for years. It doesn't matter to us which OS our users prefer. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi guys, 

    We'd love to get to M1 upport right away and it is high on our list, but the transition to iLok is our top priority right now. 

    All our developers are working on Mac and have done so for years. It doesn't matter to us which OS our users prefer. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Thanks for the update! Is a native VE Pro MAS plugin version in the works as well? As you may know the MAS version doesn't work in Rosetta2. My templates rely on the functionality in the MAS plugin. Thx.
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    @Paul said:

    Hi guys, 

    We'd love to get to M1 upport right away and it is high on our list, but the transition to iLok is our top priority right now. 

    All our developers are working on Mac and have done so for years. It doesn't matter to us which OS our users prefer. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    I'm sure it doesn't help that PACE is taking their sweet time to release m1 native build and all the various support files developers need to build their own m1 native versions.  Seems like every single developer that relies on iLok has been at a standstill for the past year as far as I can tell, just waiting on PACE.