I did wonder why we'd not heard the eloquent, rapier wit for a while.
You're not on your own Paul. I had an 18 month battle with BT and their large mistake they made that left me out of pocket and determined never to use them again. I can throughly understand the difficulty of restraint when describing these 'people'. (I use the term from a genetic definitive POV only)

Nice to see your mum's an enlightened, intelligent, forward thinking human being, being a mac user!

Regards to you, and best wishes for a speedy resolution in your internet journey!

Regards,

Alex.

A collection of sounds and the space between as to be pleasurable to one's ear!

Regards to you all,

Alex.

@hermitage59 said:

Nice to see your mum's an enlightened, intelligent, forward thinking human being, being a mac user!

Regards to you, and best wishes for a speedy resolution in your internet journey!

Regards,

Alex.

Thanks Alex - back up and running again. The mother's Mac is a new model 2.0 iMac fully packed with 2 gigs of ram. I could not really recommend this particular model for massive compositional use, because it is single processor.

But it's the best thing I've ever used for just normal internet/general use. Very quick, elegant piece of Americana machinery that's easy to use.

What's this topic all about? What is music?

Judging by the racket coming out of my monitors at the moment on a work in progress - I would say that music is generally just that - a bloody racket.


[:P] [:D]

I think music is:

any sound, sounds or combination of sounds that are made by someone and which give some form to, that part of ones creativity that needs an outlet through sound(s).

@weslldeckers said:

I think music is:

any sound, sounds or combination of sounds that are made by someone and which give some form to, that part of ones creativity that needs an outlet through sound(s).

Not accepted. Music is created in a certain context and also listened in a certain context. If those don't match there may be a learning process or not. So what is "music" is subjective matter (to the listener).

LG
www.synestesia.com

This statement is not accepted. [6]

It is too cryptic. You need to elucidate further.

@William said:

This statement is not accepted. [6]

It is too cryptic. You need to elucidate further.

OK. What I justs tried to tell is: The definition of music can't be that something is music if someone just tells it is music.

LG
www.synestesia.com

I probably agree with that. Though you could certainly get arguments about it.

@lgrohn said:

OK. What I justs tried to tell is: The definition of music can't be that something is music if someone just tells it is music.

I agree but that's a pro-objective point of view. Your earlier statement was that it's a subjective perception.

So you must elucidate further. [H]

There are both subjective and objective viewpoints. Definitions should be as objective as possible. Sometimes there may be convergence between those two because of learning.

LG
www.synestesia.com

@weslldeckers said:

I think music is:

any sound, sounds or combination of sounds that are made by someone and which give some form to, that part of ones creativity that needs an outlet through sound(s).

Not accepted. Music is created in a certain context and also listened in a certain context. If those don't match there may be a learning process or not. So what is "music" is subjective matter (to the listener).

LG
www.synestesia.com

If that's the case... there just can't be a valid definition of what music is.

I think my suggestion describes that sounds are music as soon as the maker of those sounds, makes them out of creative neccesaty(sp?). In other words: the urge to make the sounds, is enough to qualify the sounds as music, altough it could be possible that no one, including the maker, would classify them as music.

I tend to agree with the idea of weslldeckers. But maybe my own general definition would be:

Music is the organization of sound for artistic purposes.

Which is rather vague, but probably has to be. Anything more specific becomes an axe-grinding agenda on the part of the person doing the definition, for example the competing definitions of Atonalism, Serialism, Neo-classicism, Hip-Hop, Psychobilly, etc.

@William said:

I tend to agree with the idea of weslldeckers. But maybe my own general definition would be:

Music is the organization of sound for artistic purposes.

Which is rather vague, but probably has to be. Anything more specific becomes an axe-grinding agenda on the part of the person doing the definition, for example the competing definitions of Atonalism, Serialism, Neo-classicism, Hip-Hop, Psychobilly, etc.

Psycho Billy!!!! I have to listen to that very soon! Hahaha!

I've forgotten what music is.

The sound of a sweetly hit 7 iron approach shot that rolls to within a foot of the cup!

[H]

Music is...FUN!

Dave,
Far too cryptic.
You'll need some rampant elucidation to describe this one!

Regards,

Alex.
[[:|]]

Music is fun because:

1. You work really hard for a long time for very little money.

2. The little money you're owed is paid very very slowly.

3. The cost for equipment is huge.

4. Staying up on the latest software is very expensive.

5. Your car breaks down constantly which now effects your food supply.

6. Landlord is thrilled with your career and constant tardy rent.

7. So many fun things can't count them all!!!

8. Almost forgot! Everytime you land a great gig it falls through.

Dave,
I have few more.

1. When you get asked at the last minute to fill in, and you turn up to find the drummer has the world's biggest drum kit, and a 'Dante' gleam in his eye.

2. When you look closer, and see the Bass player has pencilled in 11 and 12 on his amplifier.

3. The singer wears more makeup than Barbara Cartland, and smells stongly of Lavender.

4. The drummer is skillful enough to play three rhythms at once, none of which have any relation to the tune you're currently playing.

5. You're told at the end of the gig, that the money will be less, because the publican wasn't totally satisfied.

6. You turn up to an orchestral rehearsal to play new music, only to find you have three notes in the first bar and tacet for the remaining 4 movements.

7. The part you're playing consists of ten minutes of noodling, and no rests.

8. That nice rastifarian Bob Marley fan next door buys a new stereo, and gets a new job which means he'll be at home at the same time you're writing that sweet tender 2nd movement.

9. The new conductor turns up with Serge, his partner, and you discover the season's programme has been changed to one long tribute to Fay Wray, and Marlene Detirich. (Serge is wearing a pink t shirt inscribed with the logo, 'Village People for President')

10. The chamber orchestra is 'in the way' so you get moved to the car park, out of sight of the guests.

11. The wedding couple, in a last minute change, want to perform their waltz to the elegant melody of 'Slam that muvver down', and you have no idea how it goes.


Regards,

Alex!


[H]

Brilliant funny stuff Alex and God bless you for busting bass players on inhuman volume levels. They have really given guitar players a run for the crown.

DC

I have to conclude from all this a new definition:

Music is masochism.