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    @concan said:

    Hi Paul,
    my current Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 license contains 3 single licenses. Do they stay with an upgrade to VEP 7 or do I have to buy 2 single licenses?

    Best Rainer

    I also would like an answer to this question. I did notice I only recieved 1 VEP7 license after upgrading but I already have 3 VEP5 licenses so shouldn't we also receive the same amount of licenses with the upgrade?

    I'm not complaining $45 is not a huge problem for me but for others it could.

    In a fair world those of us who have 3 licenses in VEPro 6 would get the same amount of licenses in the VEPro 7 upgrade. But it's not a fair world unfortunately. Vienna made a business decision that's making a lot of people angry. Also unfortunately this is the only product of it's type out there so it's the old supply & demand rule: we have the supply and can demand whatever the heck we want.

    To clarify something: posters here are stating costs but with the wrong descriptor for a particular cost. That 45 figure is in euros; the American dollar amount is $51.12 at current exchange rates acording to Vienna. Yes it looks like there is no intro price break on the extra licenses (phooey). However the upgrade price if you already have VEPro 6 is $85.21 US and 75 euros (I mistakenly typed 145 euros).
  • BillB
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    No, it's $85.21 US and 90 euros to give you 3 licenses.

    Dorico, Notion, Sibelius, StudioOne, Cubase, Staffpad VE Pro, Synchon, VI, Kontakt Win11 x64, 64GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, August Forster 190
  • PaulP
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    Hi,

    The introductory price will be available until the software is released, and we will announce all changes in pricing agead of time.

    45 EUR for an additional upgrade license is the introductory price, like it says on the VE PRO 7 product page:

    Upgrade Offer
    The upgrade price to Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 is currently €75 (reg. €95) for the first license, and it includes Epic Orchestra 2.0, free of charge. Additional Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 upgrade licenses are offered at €45 (reg. €65) each. When you're logged in, the reduced price is automatically shown as “Your Price” if you’ve already registered Vienna Ensemble Pro 4, 5 or 6.

    Full Purchase
    If you’re new to Vienna Ensemble Pro, now is a great time to jump aboard! The introductory price of Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 including Epic Orchestra 2.0 is €145 (reg. €195). To run Vienna Ensemble Pro on more computers, additional licenses are available at €65 (reg. €95) each. You may download and install Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 from MyVSL anytime.

    Best,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    The introductory price will be available until the software is released, and we will announce all changes in pricing agead of time. 

    45 EUR for an additional upgrade license is the introductory price, like it says on the VE PRO 7 product page: 

    Upgrade Offer
    The upgrade price to Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 is currently €75 (reg. €95) for the first license, and it includes Epic Orchestra 2.0, free of charge. Additional Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 upgrade licenses are offered at €45 (reg. €65) each. When you're logged in, the reduced price is automatically shown as “Your Price” if you’ve already registered Vienna Ensemble Pro 4, 5 or 6.

    Full Purchase
    If you’re new to Vienna Ensemble Pro, now is a great time to jump aboard! The introductory price of Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 including Epic Orchestra 2.0 is €145 (reg. €195). To run Vienna Ensemble Pro on more computers, additional licenses are available at €65 (reg. €95) each. You may download and install Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 from MyVSL anytime.

    Best,
    Paul

     

    I don´t understand, the 45Eur UPGRADE per license is the PREORDER price?

    Or the 45Eur offer has no time limit for users upgrading?

    Paul, I think the company is not adressing a lot of the issues raised by lots of customers, the three licences cutting is a though pill to swallow. Again, VEP is a excellent piece of software which shouldn´t need for an epic orchestra bundle offer for people upgrading, a lot of us don´t need those samples, we just want our three licenses.

    And now, if I am reading correctly, if we don´t upgrade before the preorder ends the price to match VEP6 configuration would be: 95+65+65=225Eur????

     

    EDIT: I´ve checked and I bought VEP6 for U$244, is VSL seriously willing to ask more for the upgrade than the original purchase? nice way to treat your customers.
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    The only feature that will be worth of upgrading is audio over lan capability. If VE can handle transfer of virtual instrument audio, it can handle direct soundcard inputs too.

    If you implement this, Audiante Dante will see bankrupcy and whole Synchron Stage can switch to your technology...
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    The introductory price will be available until the software is released, and we will announce all changes in pricing agead of time. 

    45 EUR for an additional upgrade license is the introductory price, like it says on the VE PRO 7 product page: 

    Upgrade Offer
    The upgrade price to Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 is currently €75 (reg. €95) for the first license, and it includes Epic Orchestra 2.0, free of charge. Additional Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 upgrade licenses are offered at €45 (reg. €65) each. When you're logged in, the reduced price is automatically shown as “Your Price” if you’ve already registered Vienna Ensemble Pro 4, 5 or 6.

    Full Purchase
    If you’re new to Vienna Ensemble Pro, now is a great time to jump aboard! The introductory price of Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 including Epic Orchestra 2.0 is €145 (reg. €195). To run Vienna Ensemble Pro on more computers, additional licenses are available at €65 (reg. €95) each. You may download and install Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 from MyVSL anytime.

    Best,
    Paul

    But if you look at the left side of the page in the boxes that are just to the left of the 'Details: Epic Orchestra 2.0' paragraphs in the 'additional license' line it only shows one price of 45 euros with nothing that says it's an upgrade or regular full price. Conflicting info.
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    @icecubeman said:

    The only feature that will be worth of upgrading is audio over lan capability. If VE can handle transfer of virtual instrument audio, it can handle direct soundcard inputs too.

    If you implement this, Audiante Dante will see bankrupcy and whole Synchron Stage can switch to your technology...

    VEPro already can handle transfer of vi audio over ethernet which is a completely different animal than soundcard audio. Just because it can handle one doesn't mean it can handle the other.
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    @icecubeman said:

    The only feature that will be worth of upgrading is audio over lan capability.

    Well, VST3-Support would be nice. That would enable me to install many of my plugins VST3 only. 
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    The introductory price will be available until the software is released, and we will announce all changes in pricing agead of time. 

    45 EUR for an additional upgrade license is the introductory price, like it says on the VE PRO 7 product page: 

    Upgrade Offer
    The upgrade price to Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 is currently €75 (reg. €95) for the first license, and it includes Epic Orchestra 2.0, free of charge. Additional Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 upgrade licenses are offered at €45 (reg. €65) each. When you're logged in, the reduced price is automatically shown as “Your Price” if you’ve already registered Vienna Ensemble Pro 4, 5 or 6.

    Full Purchase
    If you’re new to Vienna Ensemble Pro, now is a great time to jump aboard! The introductory price of Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 including Epic Orchestra 2.0 is €145 (reg. €195). To run Vienna Ensemble Pro on more computers, additional licenses are available at €65 (reg. €95) each. You may download and install Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 from MyVSL anytime.

    Best,
    Paul

    But if you look at the left side of the page in the boxes that are just to the left of the 'Details: Epic Orchestra 2.0' paragraphs in the 'additional license' line it only shows one price of 45 euros with nothing that says it's an upgrade or regular full price. Conflicting info.

     

    IF YOU OWN VEP5 and/or 6 that price on the left is for upgrade!!!! I'm sure those of use who owns VEP5 or 6 gets a discount on each license compared to those who do not own neither...Read it again:

    VEP by itself costs around $85 approx. The License is $51 approx. This is IF YOU ALREADY OWN VEP5 or 6. The INTRODUCTORY LICENSE price is $164, basically if you do not own it. So each license is going to cost EVERYBODY $51 approx USD because as of right now they are only giving us who upgrade 1 LICENSE which came with the upgrade and we only paid $85. Understand? $85 is not bad with Orchestra 2, but more patches would have been better LOL....
  • Dewdman42D
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    It goes like this:

    If you do not yet own VEP, then the price is 145 Euro's for a single license (normally 195 Euros retail).  

    If you own VEP5/6, then the price for upgrading the first one of your existing three licenses is 75 Euros (95 euros retail)  and all the remaining licenses are 45 euro's each (65 Euros retail).

    the cost to upgrade my VEP6 licenses, which I just purchased, almost exactly one year ago today for USD$235; is actually higher then what I paid to buy them 1 year ago.  

    Sorry VSL, but there is no way I will upgrade at this price point.  Even if it has a few nice new features...you just doubled cost of this software for me and I can't justify it.  

    If it turns out that VEP7 is so incredibly better then VEP6 that its completely worth paying for it all over again..maybe I'll reconsider, but I find that highly unlikely.  Doens't matter how many freebie sample libraries you try to toss in.  I find this utterly ridiculous, I will make do with VEP6 for as long as I can.  Maybe VEP8 or VEP9 will get my attention, never know.
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    For users who have three or more servers and actually use three or more licenses, I completely understand the objection to the upgrade pricing structure. But how many users have three licenses only because that was the only way the could buy them, and actually need one or two for one or two servers. I don't think folks in the second category should complain as loudly as folks in the first category.

    I have no idea how many existing users are in each category.
  • Dewdman42D
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    The ONLY reason I bought VEP to begin with was in order to run it both together on my DAW machine as well as potentially one more server.  But part of the value to me was that for approximately $250 I knew I could network in my extra laptop in a pinch or whatever...That is part of the value it was sold to me as.  VSL is putting us in a situation now where we have to now choose between downgrading our capability or paying unreasonable amount to continue with the capability we thought we were buying not that long ago.
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    1) Yes, sometimes prices increases, as also the value of a dollar or euros does. 2) Do you usually get customized products when you buy something? Do you criticize Apple because you can’t choose to not have the stupid apps like iMovie and thus pay less for your Mac? Does it help telling Apple you don’t need it? Or do you get your DAWs cheaper by saying no thanks to the sounds it comes with? I’d try to treat Paul et al with a little bit more respect.
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    The introductory price will be available until the software is released, and we will announce all changes in pricing agead of time. 

    45 EUR for an additional upgrade license is the introductory price, like it says on the VE PRO 7 product page: 

    Upgrade Offer
    The upgrade price to Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 is currently €75 (reg. €95) for the first license, and it includes Epic Orchestra 2.0, free of charge. Additional Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 upgrade licenses are offered at €45 (reg. €65) each. When you're logged in, the reduced price is automatically shown as “Your Price” if you’ve already registered Vienna Ensemble Pro 4, 5 or 6.

    Full Purchase
    If you’re new to Vienna Ensemble Pro, now is a great time to jump aboard! The introductory price of Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 including Epic Orchestra 2.0 is €145 (reg. €195). To run Vienna Ensemble Pro on more computers, additional licenses are available at €65 (reg. €95) each. You may download and install Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 from MyVSL anytime.

    Best,
    Paul

    But if you look at the left side of the page in the boxes that are just to the left of the 'Details: Epic Orchestra 2.0' paragraphs in the 'additional license' line it only shows one price of 45 euros with nothing that says it's an upgrade or regular full price. Conflicting info.

     

    IF YOU OWN VEP5 and/or 6 that price on the left is for upgrade!!!! I'm sure those of use who owns VEP5 or 6 gets a discount on each license compared to those who do not own neither...Read it again:

    VEP by itself costs around $85 approx. The License is $51 approx. This is IF YOU ALREADY OWN VEP5 or 6. The INTRODUCTORY LICENSE price is $164, basically if you do not own it. So each license is going to cost EVERYBODY $51 approx USD because as of right now they are only giving us who upgrade 1 LICENSE which came with the upgrade and we only paid $85. Understand? $85 is not bad with Orchestra 2, but more patches would have been better LOL....

    There is no discount on an extra license if you already own a previous version of VEPro. The extra license cost is the same for everyone. And those prices on the left side are for both new and upgrades - you have to be logged in to see your price if you already wn VEPro.
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    @McArnes said:

    I’d try to treat Paul et al with a little bit more respect.

    I have said nothing disrespectful towards anyone here, including Paul.

    But doubling the price of my product in a year is not acceptable and I shall definitely voice it.  If VSL wants my business on VEP, they have to be more reasonable about it.  End of story.
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    And again, I dont understand why you guys are all upset. Do you know how many times over I have paid for Cubase? Its $150 yearly ($100 for the end of year upgrade and $50 for the mid-year upgrade). Having had a license for Cubase for several years now, I have paid once for Cubase Pro initially ($600), and in the four years Ive had the license, another $600.

    Just for comparison, VEP6, in case anyone forgot, was released in late 2016.

    Maybe you dont need epic orchestra, and I do completely agree, it is disengenuous for VSL to say you are getting it for free. You arent, you are paying a 30 Euro premium for epic orchestra. However, let me get this straight, you are complaining because the purchase price is 30 Euros higher for the first license? Put this in perspective, how many thousands of dollars have you spent on hardware and software? How much of it turned out to be for something you dont ever use? 30 Euros is the least of my concerns honestly.

    As was previously stated, this is VSL pushing people to use Synchron. Personally, I hate the layout. I despise it. I think it was a piss poor decision to split their userbase into two groups. Their sounds should be compatible with both engines, allowing users of a more modern UI to use Synchron, while allowing those that like the look and feel of VI to use Instruments Pro. I have plenty of critiques for VSL, Im no fanboy by any stretch.

    However, I see no issue with what VSL is doing here, other than forcing users who wish to upgrade to VEP7 to pay extra for EO. However, its only $30 Euros, and I am a bit biased, I love the epic orchestra 2.0 library, even if it is in the terrible Synchron player ui. Considering I have very few libraries that are any good for sketching (my libraries are all hundreds of gigabytes, thus, by the time they load, Ive taken the dog for a walk, taken a shower, and brushed my teeth), EO in combination with Smart Orchestra are alot of fun.

    Oh, and as to my comments about free addons, what the heck is wrong with free addons? You dont have to use them.
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    What time will it be announced in detail about the new features?
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    @littlewierdo said:

    And again, I dont understand why you guys are all upset. Do you know how many times over I have paid for Cubase? Its $150 yearly ($100 for the end of year upgrade and $50 for the mid-year upgrade). Having had a license for Cubase for several years now, I have paid once for Cubase Pro initially ($600), and in the four years Ive had the license, another $600.

    Just for comparison, VEP6, in case anyone forgot, was released in late 2016.

    Maybe you dont need epic orchestra, and I do completely agree, it is disengenuous for VSL to say you are getting it for free. You arent, you are paying a 30 Euro premium for epic orchestra. However, let me get this straight, you are complaining because the purchase price is 30 Euros higher for the first license? Put this in perspective, how many thousands of dollars have you spent on hardware and software? How much of it turned out to be for something you dont ever use? 30 Euros is the least of my concerns honestly.

    As was previously stated, this is VSL pushing people to use Synchron. Personally, I hate the layout. I despise it. I think it was a piss poor decision to split their userbase into two groups. Their sounds should be compatible with both engines, allowing users of a more modern UI to use Synchron, while allowing those that like the look and feel of VI to use Instruments Pro. I have plenty of critiques for VSL, Im no fanboy by any stretch.

    However, I see no issue with what VSL is doing here, other than forcing users who wish to upgrade to VEP7 to pay extra for EO. However, its only $30 Euros, and I am a bit biased, I love the epic orchestra 2.0 library, even if it is in the terrible Synchron player ui. Considering I have very few libraries that are any good for sketching (my libraries are all hundreds of gigabytes, thus, by the time they load, Ive taken the dog for a walk, taken a shower, and brushed my teeth), EO in combination with Smart Orchestra are alot of fun.

    Oh, and as to my comments about free addons, what the heck is wrong with free addons? You dont have to use them.

     

    Well then of course you should give them your money.  I will not be giving them mine this time.

    $500 in one year for VEP is way too much.  sorry.
  • DominiqueD
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    Dewdman42 has a point in my opinion. With the upgrade to VE Pro 7 you either get downgraded from three licenses to just one, or you have to pay double the price of what the upgrade to VE Pro 6 cost. Advertising this as a new 'feature' feels disingenuous to me (in fact, it is the only 'feature' currently communicated apart from the integrated fx). If you feel you have to double the price of a software, please be upfront about it and explain why you feel it's necessary.

    What is happening is that VSL is either downgrading us to one license for VE Pro 7, or asking double the price for three licenses. That is a substantial downgrade, or a hefty price increase. In my opinion, good marketing would have tried to explain it. Instead I feel as being taken for a fool.
  • LAJL
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    Do you know the Spitfire LABS-Series? It is free and NEW for EVERYBODY; not only for a few people. Let's say ... the Viennese would recorda few Subbasses of their Film-Organ. It stands in the Hall anyway. They do not have to order a musician for this and the Editing would be less (no Dynamics). Herb said in an interview that this Subbass is an important part of the Puzzle and that is better than a Synth Subbass for the orchestral context. I think he is right. THAT would be a great present for EVERYBODY. I hope you understand the difference.