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  4. CHANGE IN VSL'S DIRECTION ?
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    I was going to write more here but - I realized it is pointless.  And actually it is slightly repulsive to me to correspond this way.  It is an artificial and distorted way of conversing.  

    Anyway I will sign off and let all the experts do what they do while I go and work on some music.
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    Funny, because I saw the post before you edited it out. Wise decision in any case.
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    Having read insightful posts here, like Bill's and Jasen's (I like the Adam Smith reference), and others', I am thankful I am not the only one having these thoughts about VSL's new direction. I have to admit that it is the last of the major 'Houses' that is moving to cater to the 'Inept' market, but I have to be thankful for all the wonderful products they have created thus far that literally changed our creative lives, and hope they don't stop!

    But I can't help laughing silly at the ending of that Synchron FX video where the guy says "...so that you can create YOUR VERY OWN SIGNATURE sound..." ðŸ˜ƒ
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    @Errikos said:

    ...But I can't help laughing silly at the ending of that Synchron FX video where the guy says "...so that you can create YOUR VERY OWN SIGNATURE sound..." ðŸ˜ƒ

    LOL 😃 this is a good one!

    Well actually VSL published already the REAL tool for creating FX strings with YOUR VERY OWN SIGNATURE sound, and it was VI Pro 2 with Dimension strings: working with sequencing patterns, and individual player control, including detuning (e.g. "out of tune"  humanization envelopes) you had the fast way of creating building blocks for clusters and effects... YOUR OWN, not the pre-canned ones. 😛

    But this new set of lybraries are for quick real-time manipulation on the keyboard, quick-arrangers on tight time schedule, more than accurate composers. What's wrong? ...the market demand... VSL offers... still we can make our choice.
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    Speaking of old/new Synchron, here is a piece mixed with MIR Synchron but using the Silent Stage Instruments. I recently tried out the MIR Synchron and it seems to fit this piece...

    The Valiant
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    Bravo, Bill. Thank you for posting your new piece, which demonstrates so well, the versatility and usefulness of the silent stage samples with the Synchron Mir impulses. The piece is highly enjoyable and very well produced. Congrats! Dave
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    Thanks Dave! It is a very direct mix, just loading the instruments into the MIR Synchron with only a little adjustment of wet/dry ratios.  I am still not too familiar with this venue so am trying it out.  It seems spacious but very clear.  
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    Hi Nice piece. Impressive orchestration and Mix. Vous avez du métier et ça s’entend! Congratulation William. Claude B.
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    Thank you Claude!  The mix is due to Synchron which gives a really good sound instantly.  Though I am still trying to figure out how to incorporate it in general.  It  has a clear sound and that makes one want to add more wet, so it is easy to go too far.  
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    While waiting for the Synchron Player which is obviously a hugely difficult and complex piece of software that needs to be worked on... I should distract from the real interest of the player.  

    Putting it more positively I would actually like to hear those other pieces mentioned, not just as taunting, but seriously.  
  • PaulP
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    Hi William, 

    Everybody is welcome in this forum and we are happy about every contribution to this community. 

    What we don't like are fights. Everybody has a right to his own opinion as long as it is not insulting to anybody else on the forum, especially on a personal level. 

    We do hear and appreciate both criticism and praise and our response it to work even harder, in both cases.

    Sp in short: Let's not fight. Please. 

    Thanks, 
    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Hi William, I love "The Valiant", the music, the sound. I don't hear any difference between the silent stage instruments and the synchron stage instruments, when it comes to the space, where they have been placed in. So I think, with this piece you show that the fear, that old libraries become legacy, is unjust and that VSL is making an even vaster pallet of thousands of colors of instruments. We are rich that we can have this beautiful source of instruments for our musical needs and we can congratulate each other for that, with a thanks to the guys in Vienna ðŸ˜Š
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    thanks MMKA. I agree on the sounds being very compatible also.  
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    Today, Spitfire Audio anounced their 'new' direction (which has been crafted for the last two years now...)

    Spitfire Studio Strings!

    Their poster reads as follows:

    "An incredibly versatile pro-end dry stage sample library - giving you total control."

    I hate to have been the prophet about this while back when this forum thread first started...

    Cheers to all with much love!
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    That‘s interesting. But why do they put it into Kontakt instead into their own HZ Strings-Player? Fail! The basic sound of these Studio Strings is good.
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    Funny, they sell a "dry stage sample library" and therefor very little ambiance, with 7 Microphone-Positions. I am not sure if that RAM-Load will be that efficient.😶

    Kontakt? Meanwhile their HZString-Player is not that much different, to stay with Kontakt does not seem to me that innovative. 😶

    However Pro seem to be very cheap in respect to GB per €: 210 GB only 399€ = 526 Mb/€ 😛

    (while the normal version with 13 GB makes 199€  = 65mb/€ 😔)
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    The great thing on an own Player is that you can develop what ever you like. I do not get why they go with Kontakt. Maybe they know that the next Kontakt Version will be a game changer and NI convinced them to stay with Kontakt. After listening to the first walkthrough I have to say ... what you get for 399 is really good. Beautiful emotional Legato, beautiful Mutes, Divisi, a few effects which could work great with our FX Strings 1 ... I will definitely buy the Studio Strings. I can imagine that this Library works great with VI and MIR/MIRACLE too.
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    @LAJ said:

    Beautiful emotional Legato, beautiful Mutes, Divisi, .

    What disappoints me again and again, with the seemingly "large" Spitfire Articulation lists, is that they are in fact often so incomplete:

    • Only one or two Legatotypes and those only in a few sections available.
    • No fast Legato
    • No accentuated Legato
    • the same is with Sordini often only Long CS only some sections have also some short CS but no Legato CS at all, while in reality an instrument with sordino is able to play everything what it would play without
    • Divisi with just 6 different basic articulations
    • not that prepared for higher or even brilliant tempo:
      • no fast legato type
      • I can not see if and how much any shortpatch include round robin or not

    At least coming from VSL everything seem to more or less just 'adumbrate' but never made consequently complete and is therefor in my eyes scarcly fully usable in the same way. And there is little hope that they will ever ad any further Volume to complete what is missing.

    And of course still as clumsy to use as we know it from Kontakt-Libraries
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    Well ... you can‘t have it all ;D .. that‘s why I wrote VI and the Studio Strings will be a good combination. And you have to see the price. All in all and especially divisi combinations plus VI Strings offer a lot of options. Woodwinds and Brass are next. I wish that one day the Vienna guys will communicate their upcoming releases the same straight way. This is very helpful for a good planning of additional Hardware and does hurt no one.
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    @LAJ said:

    Well ... you can‘t have it all ;D .. that‘s why I wrote VI and the Studio Strings will be a good combination.

    OK I see.

    Yes, perhaps nice to get some cheap additional colors available. (I am a more and moret cautious with that kind of selling point which blows up my SSD-Need so fast.) however it is at least imaginable that way.

    as I said good GB/€ ration (for the Pro edition) meanwhile I still wonder if it would realy be that reasonmable to have 7 Microphone-Positions for a "dry" Studio Library,