@William said:

This thread is pointless as the people here simply want to be negative to establish themselves as experts.

I started it as a celebration of a great new library but that doesn't fit in with the agenda of the people on this Forum, so... 

Goodbye.  

To be very honest I don't think people spend hundreds of USD/€ just to "establish themselves as experts" nor the way of establishing it is "to be negative".

I'm happy you are happy, and I wish you lot of satisfaction with your new fairly expensive toy.

I'm not equally happy with the missing opportunity of discussing details that may give to VSL team interesting technical and emotional feedback from users, not only from the "celebration" side, but from the disappointment and improvement side as well. Nothing is more valuable for product managers and developers than detailed feedback.

cheers.

@sururick said:

I just have another question. Is the standard library more than enough since it includes all the articulations? Will I really need all those extra mic positions to make a good sound, or are the standard mics good enough?

Good enough depends on your personal taste. On Synchron Percussion there is a comparision between Stereo Mix and Surround to Stereo Downmix. Might be nice to have something for Synchron Strings as well.

@sururick said:

I just have another question. Is the standard library more than enough since it includes all the articulations? Will I really need all those extra mic positions to make a good sound, or are the standard mics good enough?

Hi Richard,

nice to meet you again! Yes I confirm it: yesterday i did quite a bit of experiments with Dimension and Chamber strings and MIR Pro. I wasn't able of replicating the nice sonic balance of Synchron strings default stereo mix, that always sounds better than any of my attempt to mix in MIR Pro old lybraries then finally I consider it a real added value (it was my main doubt buying the lybrary).

ciao, Fabio.

@William said:

This thread is pointless as the people here simply want to be negative to establish themselves as experts.

I started it as a celebration of a great new library but that doesn't fit in with the agenda of the people on this Forum, so... 

Goodbye.  

Unfortunately, this seems common, especially with composers.  It is one reason I don't participate at most composer forums anymore.  I, for one, was glad to see your enthusiastic post.  I am very optimistic about Synchron Strings, and any future Synchron products.

There is no reason for people to hijack a positive thread.  They could easily start a new one, and should.  Enjoy Synchron, I know I am.  It has already made its way into my current film score.  

@William said:

This thread is pointless as the people here simply want to be negative to establish themselves as experts. I started it as a celebration of a great new library but that doesn't fit in with the agenda of the people on this Forum, so... Goodbye.

@fritzflotow said:

This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it. Personally, I respect everyone here who thinks this is the best string library there is.

If you respect others opinions, then let the OP have his thread.  I don't see why that would be a problem. It would be more productive to post complaints in a separate thread anyway as it is easier for developers to read and respond. 

@fritzflotow said:

This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it.Personally, I respect everyone here who thinks this is the best string library there is.

@fritzflotow said:

Well, there certainly is a reason for this thread being 'hijacked', which is the extraordinary claims that were made about this library ... I am sure, otherwise Jimmy would have just created a new thread to express his opinion. It is quite funny, because on the other forum Jimmy was punished for defending this library against sceptics, here it is the other way around! This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it.

Yeah, it's funny. On V.I. Control, I'm the blind, deaf and retardedly loyal "fanboy" who would jump off a bridge if Herb told me to, and here, I'm the thread hijacking leader of the pitchfork wielding horde. 😊

Actually I'm sorry for "hijacking" the thread. But indeed, I felt that it was important to relativize what to me seemed like a somewhat misplaced and misleading hymn of praise, while in fact elsewhere legitimate criticism is being raised. For the sake of objectivity and to put things into a real perspective. I thought it was important to make sure that genuine VSL users voice their concerns here, without the noise and hyperbole of people in other forums who seemingly find more interest and joy in starting bush fires than anything else.

Perhaps a thread of its own would have been better though. Maybe an administrator could split off the posts in a new thread. And call it "Synchron is not yet the best!" or something ... 😃

@dterry said:

If you respect others opinions, then let the OP have his thread. I don't see why that would be a problem.

@dterry said:

If you respect others opinions, then let the OP have his thread. I don't see why that would be a problem.

Right.  Then discuss, but no need to counter someone's opinion just because they offered one you disagree with.   

This is why forums aren't considered viable places for discussion for many of us - "how a forum works" currently isn't how constructive, respectful dialogue works.  That is one reason I (and most of my colleagues that I know of) don't spend much time on forums anymore;  also simply too busy.  And here I am being reminded why I don't usually post on forums. Back to work.

Congrats to VSL on Synchron!  Love the stage too - hope to record there at some point. 

@dterry said:

Love the stage too - hope to record there at some point.

Hi Fabio,

Thanks for the information. Is this the same Fabio from the GPO community!?

Regards,
Richard

@sururick said:

I just have another question. Is the standard library more than enough since it includes all the articulations? Will I really need all those extra mic positions to make a good sound, or are the standard mics good enough?

Hi Richard,

nice to meet you again! Yes I confirm it: yesterday i did quite a bit of experiments with Dimension and Chamber strings and MIR Pro. I wasn't able of replicating the nice sonic balance of Synchron strings default stereo mix, that always sounds better than any of my attempt to mix in MIR Pro old lybraries then finally I consider it a real added value (it was my main doubt buying the lybrary).

ciao, Fabio.

@FabioA said:

It's a matter of phases problem when you have to crossfade between different samples..

There is a phase issue when a sample is played twice, not with different samples, or we couldn't listen to 2 violins playing together. There are nice phase effects, not phase problems.

@FabioA said:

It's a matter of phases problem when you have to crossfade between different samples..

There is a phase issue when a sample is played twice, not with different samples, or we couldn't listen to 2 violins playing together. There are nice phase effects, not phase problems.

Crossfading between velocity layers is a much complex task, and phases are a problem.

@FabioA said:

I'm afraid there are much more phase problems in the audio world than you could imagine.
The one you mentioned is just one exemple of  phase issue that leads to a Comb Filter effect (in fact is probably the only one that is used as a creative effect, and it's even used to create digital reverbs...). Crossfading between velocity layers is a much complex task, and phases are a problem.

I'm sorry but you started the phae course, buddy :)
I give up btw. Phases are important for our hearing, indeed, but still Deterios surdus eo nullus, qui renuit audire.

@FabioA said:

Deterios surdus eo nullus, qui renuit audire.

@javajam said:

If crossfading between two layers should be a problem, mixing two similar sources should always be a problem too. Phase effect always occur everywhere in a stereo field. It may be more or less prominent but never a "phase issue" we can encounter with one single sample. And I disagree with your rule "phases are a problem when crossfading between velocity layers", as soon as they're made of different samples.

@djw said:

Think of it like this: When playing one sample of 8 violins, you hear 8 violins. If you mix (crossfade) this by 50% with another sample of 8 violins, you hear a composite of 16 violins. It's more apparent with crossfading solo strings (where you will suddenly hear 2 instruments when mixing two samples), however the same effect still applies to ensembles. It may not bother you, but it's hard to deny that it's an issue.

@Another User said:

And who could say, while crossfading between two layers of a large ochestra : "I heard it, there were double the number of violins in the middle of the note !"... Seriously...

If you crossfade from one single sample to another single sample then the impact is the least. But if you don't take such care, you'll stay in between samples, meaning that most of the time you can hear more instruments playing than in the original samples. Of course this has impact on the sound, but like I said, it's a bigger problem with solo instruments.