This thread is pointless as the people here simply want to be negative to establish themselves as experts. I started it as a celebration of a great new library but that doesn't fit in with the agenda of the people on this Forum, so... Goodbye.Unfortunately, this seems common, especially with composers. It is one reason I don't participate at most composer forums anymore. I, for one, was glad to see your enthusiastic post. I am very optimistic about Synchron Strings, and any future Synchron products. There is no reason for people to hijack a positive thread. They could easily start a new one, and should. Enjoy Synchron, I know I am. It has already made its way into my current film score. Well, there certainly is a reason for this thread being 'hijacked', which is the extraordinary claims that were made about this library ... I am sure, otherwise Jimmy would have just created a new thread to express his opinion. It is quite funny, because on the other forum Jimmy was punished for defending this library against sceptics, here it is the other way around! This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it. Personally, I respect everyone here who thinks this is the best string library there is. I may disagree with it and explain, why, but I won't degrade their opinions by claiming such things, as you did. By those accusations you do nothing but making a fool of yourself.
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This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it. Personally, I respect everyone here who thinks this is the best string library there is.
If you respect others opinions, then let the OP have his thread. I don't see why that would be a problem. It would be more productive to post complaints in a separate thread anyway as it is easier for developers to read and respond.
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This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it.Personally, I respect everyone here who thinks this is the best string library there is.
If you respect others opinions, then let the OP have his thread. I don't see why that would be a problem. It would be more productive to post complaints in a separate thread anyway as it is easier for developers to read and respond. I posted this a few times in the past and I post it a last time now. A perfect Community has a separate Bugreport-Collection-area. This should be visible in the Header like Forum-rules and announcements. That will be the bestcase-Situation for developers and Users. (BTW do i think this will stop SOME conflicts in the Community)
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Well, there certainly is a reason for this thread being 'hijacked', which is the extraordinary claims that were made about this library ... I am sure, otherwise Jimmy would have just created a new thread to express his opinion. It is quite funny, because on the other forum Jimmy was punished for defending this library against sceptics, here it is the other way around! This just shows me that some people seem to have a problem with other people having a different opinion and expressing it.
Yeah, it's funny. On V.I. Control, I'm the blind, deaf and retardedly loyal "fanboy" who would jump off a bridge if Herb told me to, and here, I'm the thread hijacking leader of the pitchfork wielding horde. 😊
Actually I'm sorry for "hijacking" the thread. But indeed, I felt that it was important to relativize what to me seemed like a somewhat misplaced and misleading hymn of praise, while in fact elsewhere legitimate criticism is being raised. For the sake of objectivity and to put things into a real perspective. I thought it was important to make sure that genuine VSL users voice their concerns here, without the noise and hyperbole of people in other forums who seemingly find more interest and joy in starting bush fires than anything else.
Perhaps a thread of its own would have been better though. Maybe an administrator could split off the posts in a new thread. And call it "Synchron is not yet the best!" or something ... 😃
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If you respect others opinions, then let the OP have his thread. I don't see why that would be a problem.
That's not how a forum works. It's a place for discussion, not an echo chamber for whoever started the thread.Right. Then discuss, but no need to counter someone's opinion just because they offered one you disagree with.
This is why forums aren't considered viable places for discussion for many of us - "how a forum works" currently isn't how constructive, respectful dialogue works. That is one reason I (and most of my colleagues that I know of) don't spend much time on forums anymore; also simply too busy. And here I am being reminded why I don't usually post on forums. Back to work.
Congrats to VSL on Synchron! Love the stage too - hope to record there at some point.
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Hi Fabio,
Thanks for the information. Is this the same Fabio from the GPO community!?
Regards,
RichardI just have another question. Is the standard library more than enough since it includes all the articulations? Will I really need all those extra mic positions to make a good sound, or are the standard mics good enough?
Hi Richard,
nice to meet you again! Yes I confirm it: yesterday i did quite a bit of experiments with Dimension and Chamber strings and MIR Pro. I wasn't able of replicating the nice sonic balance of Synchron strings default stereo mix, that always sounds better than any of my attempt to mix in MIR Pro old lybraries then finally I consider it a real added value (it was my main doubt buying the lybrary).
ciao, Fabio.
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It's a matter of phases problem when you have to crossfade between different samples..
There is a phase issue when a sample is played twice, not with different samples, or we couldn't listen to 2 violins playing together. There are nice phase effects, not phase problems.
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It's a matter of phases problem when you have to crossfade between different samples..
There is a phase issue when a sample is played twice, not with different samples, or we couldn't listen to 2 violins playing together. There are nice phase effects, not phase problems.
I'm afraid there are much more phase problems in the audio world than you could imagine.
The one you mentioned is just one exemple of phase issue that leads to a Comb Filter effect (in fact is probably the only one that is used as a creative effect, and it's even used to create digital reverbs...).Crossfading between velocity layers is a much complex task, and phases are a problem.
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I'm afraid there are much more phase problems in the audio world than you could imagine.
The one you mentioned is just one exemple of phase issue that leads to a Comb Filter effect (in fact is probably the only one that is used as a creative effect, and it's even used to create digital reverbs...). Crossfading between velocity layers is a much complex task, and phases are a problem.
Thank you for the phase course, buddy... Phase effects are everywhere or we would have one single ear or even we would never use any natural nore artificial reverb. And we would throw all our synths to the trash. And we would never use any recording of the ocean on the beach.
If crossfading between two layers should be a problem, mixing two similar sources should always be a problem too. Phase effect always occur everywhere in a stereo field. It may be more or less prominent but never a "phase issue" we can encounter with one single sample. And I disagree with your rule "phases are a problem when crossfading between velocity layers", as soon as they're made of different samples.
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Deterios surdus eo nullus, qui renuit audire.
Sure my ears lost a few high kHz all those years... That said I still can (and like to) hear different opinions as soon as they're argued, that's called debate and knowledge sharing. But when it goes to the pupil game "you did it first". Or ends up with a pejorative latin motto... What do you really know about my ears, btw?
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If crossfading between two layers should be a problem, mixing two similar sources should always be a problem too. Phase effect always occur everywhere in a stereo field. It may be more or less prominent but never a "phase issue" we can encounter with one single sample. And I disagree with your rule "phases are a problem when crossfading between velocity layers", as soon as they're made of different samples.
Think of it like this: When playing one sample of 8 violins, you hear 8 violins. If you mix (crossfade) this by 50% with another sample of 8 violins, you hear a composite of 16 violins. It's more apparent with crossfading solo strings (where you will suddenly hear 2 instruments when mixing two samples), however the same effect still applies to ensembles. It may not bother you, but it's hard to deny that it's an issue.
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Think of it like this: When playing one sample of 8 violins, you hear 8 violins. If you mix (crossfade) this by 50% with another sample of 8 violins, you hear a composite of 16 violins. It's more apparent with crossfading solo strings (where you will suddenly hear 2 instruments when mixing two samples), however the same effect still applies to ensembles. It may not bother you, but it's hard to deny that it's an issue.
Where does it have anything to see with the phase ?
And who could say, while crossfading between two layers of a large ochestra : "I heard it, there were double the number of violins in the middle of the note !"... Seriously... Btw what will you do with the SyStrings if you want some divisi ?
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And who could say, while crossfading between two layers of a large ochestra : "I heard it, there were double the number of violins in the middle of the note !"... Seriously...
If you crossfade from one single sample to another single sample then the impact is the least. But if you don't take such care, you'll stay in between samples, meaning that most of the time you can hear more instruments playing than in the original samples. Of course this has impact on the sound, but like I said, it's a bigger problem with solo instruments.
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Hi Fabio,
Thanks for the information. Is this the same Fabio from the GPO community!?
Regards,
Richard[quote=fatis12_24918;268605]
Yes, "but it was long, long time ago..." (Cit.) 😊
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If you crossfade from one single sample to another single sample then the impact is the least. But if you don't take such care, you'll stay in between samples, meaning that most of the time you can hear more instruments playing than in the original samples. Of course this has impact on the sound, but like I said, it's a bigger problem with solo instruments.
Please post a demo of what you say, maybe I miss something...Here's a demo with SyStrings Violin & Cellos
I used LSXL Violins & Cellos, with both velocity Xfade and slotX (so double crossfade at the same time, velocity and vib/no vib)... Can you hear any phase issue or instruments number doubling ? Btw, the phase is regularly in between like any single original sample as it can be seen on the Goniometer. MIRacle Synchron Enhance applied.
