Hi everybody,
Enjoy these first demos of Synchron Strings, made by the wonderful Guy Bacos and Christof Unterberger!
Best,
Paul
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Hi everybody,
Enjoy these first demos of Synchron Strings, made by the wonderful Guy Bacos and Christof Unterberger!
Best,
Paul
Hi everybody,
Enjoy these first demos of Synchron Strings, made by the wonderful Guy Bacos and Christof Unterberger!
Best,
Paul
nice demos - the longs are telling (I like them). shorts are easier to get 'away with things' (albiet they are strong) but the longs are solid. Looking forward to Paul's walkthroughs (particularily the longs/legatos.)
I really need to hear how (all by itself) 'controllable' the non to vibrato sound is. For me the GREAT weakness of ANY sample string section is its inability to do this convincingly without artifacts/phasing. For me if Sample strings sit for more than a brief moment without some change to vibrato (not just xfade between sampled layers BUT vibrato and I am personlly taken out of it.)
And of course - is the new player going to allow me to use this in the heat of a tight schedule?
More and more encouraged. Congrats VSL on what should be a success.
I really need to hear how (all by itself) 'controllable' the non to vibrato sound is. For me the GREAT weakness of ANY sample string section is its inability to do this convincingly without artifacts/phasing. For me if Sample strings sit for more than a brief moment without some change to vibrato (not just xfade between sampled layers BUT vibrato and I am personlly taken out of it.)
I would understand your Point, if you were talking about Solostrings, since one Violin alone do not produce any phasing while changing the intensity of vibrato. But: Synchronstrings I are Section-Strings. It appears to me not only quite natural if you have phasing effects between multiple stringplayers playing the same note especially while they are increasing their Vibrato intensity, I even think that is exactly what we want and expect to hear to make a difference between Soloist and Section. (While - If I understood right and can believe Embertone - It seems to be even possible nowadays to map Soloviolinsamples in a way that would allow xfade without producingadditional phasing problems.) However for Section Strings increased Phasing effects with increased vibrato seem to me not the problem but something quite natural.
I'm on the fence of getting my first VSL instrument in Synchron Strings, I'm seriously blown away at the moment!
My only problem is, that I'm pretty intimidated by the scale of this whole library with my measly 32gb of RAM. Somebody told me however, that if run from an SSD you could load the whole Syncron Percussion with only 2.5gb of RAM if the buffer is at 1526. Is something similar possible with the Strings?
Hi lucor,
You have a few options regarding RAM optimization, but with the Synchron Strings, the preload size should only be HALF the usual Preload Size of 16384 Samples => which is 8192 Samples. This way you will get a great and reliable performance (this always also depends on your arrangement, the more you stream, the more performance you need there). Might well be that a lower setting with the Standard Library is possible, and we're also working on more optimized options there.
With our other "stereo-only" libraries, you can lower the Preload Size to 1536 Samples (so you could load 10 times more samples using only 1/10th of the RAM you'd usually need). This will work until you overdo it with insane TUTTI chords 😉
There are also options like "Activate on MIDI Activity", which loads all presets without samples and only loads samples when the articulation is triggered once.
Best,
Paul
Hi lucor,
You have a few options regarding RAM optimization, but with the Synchron Strings, the preload size should only be HALF the usual Preload Size of 16384 Samples => which is 8192 Samples. This way you will get a great and reliable performance (this always also depends on your arrangement, the more you stream, the more performance you need there). Might well be that a lower setting with the Standard Library is possible, and we're also working on more optimized options there.
With our other "stereo-only" libraries, you can lower the Preload Size to 1536 Samples (so you could load 10 times more samples using only 1/10th of the RAM you'd usually need). This will work until you overdo it with insane TUTTI chords 😉
There are also options like "Activate on MIDI Activity", which loads all presets without samples and only loads samples when the articulation is triggered once.
Best,
Paul
Hey Paul, thanks for the quick answer. So how much RAM would it take, for example, to load all articulations of the 1st Violins with a buffer of 8192? Have you run any tests yet?
And the "Activate on MIDI Activity" is similiar to Kontakt's purge function, I guess? If an SSD can keep up with loading all these samples in real time, that would also be an awesome way of reducing RAM usage.
Yea, sorry mispoke on the phasing for sections - what I should have said is 'smooth' transition / evolving from non to vibrato samples. For me anyways, this is never 'natural' and smooth with samples - like live sessions. Just hoping and a wishing. 😉
I really need to hear how (all by itself) 'controllable' the non to vibrato sound is. For me the GREAT weakness of ANY sample string section is its inability to do this convincingly without artifacts/phasing. For me if Sample strings sit for more than a brief moment without some change to vibrato (not just xfade between sampled layers BUT vibrato and I am personlly taken out of it.)
I would understand your Point, if you were talking about Solostrings, since one Violin alone do not produce any phasing while changing the intensity of vibrato. But: Synchronstrings I are Section-Strings. It appears to me not only quite natural if you have phasing effects between multiple stringplayers playing the same note especially while they are increasing their Vibrato intensity, I even think that is exactly what we want and expect to hear to make a difference between Soloist and Section. (While - If I understood right and can believe Embertone - It seems to be even possible nowadays to map Soloviolinsamples in a way that would allow xfade without producingadditional phasing problems.) However for Section Strings increased Phasing effects with increased vibrato seem to me not the problem but something quite natural.
Second on RAM question! How much should we've got? Can we work with Synchron with 8 GB as requirements site says? Or maybe without 32 it will be far from fun?
Hi,
I'll do my best to have videos available before the Early Bird Offer ends.
Regarding RAM, with 1st violins only: If you want to load all available microphones with all available articulations, much RAM is necessary (these are the quick tests on my computer):
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 10 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 5 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
There will be alternatives available for a more resource-friendly workflow, like a ready-made stereo-mix.
The presets will load without any samples loaded ("disabled cells"), and you will like the option to load articulations in only when you need them ("Activate cells on MIDI Activity".
The "Optimize" option will also be a great help for smaller setups (the the sample player learn which samples of which articulations it actually needs for the specific arrangement).
So there are quite some helpers there, but you are right: Synchron Strings I is by no means a small library.
Best,
Paul
I'd recommend to run the Synchron library off of an SSD and have adequate RAM in your machine and optimize your pre-load buffer sizes in the Directory.
I don't understand why we can't take advantage of SSD with Synchron Strings ?
Regarding RAM, with 1st violins only: If you want to load all available microphones with all available articulations, much RAM is necessary (these are the quick tests on my computer):
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 10 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 5 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.Best,
Paul
Hi Paul! Is this a typo?
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 10 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 5 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
Best,
Paul
Hi Paul! Is this a typo?
Presumably it should be
"With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 10 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 5 GB of RAM for the STANDARD Libtrary / 1st Violins."
with 32 GB RAM you are ready to load 1.+2. Violins of th all Microphonepositions of the FULL-Library with all Articlations tio let them play completly "insane tuttichord"😛 and with another 1-2 32GB PC's like that you are ready to let the whole Synchronstrings I be loaded and play completly "insane tuttichord"😛....
However in real world you will neither need always load all Microphonepositions nor all articulations and VSL obviously provided a bunch of options to reduce the amount of actual loaded articulations what means in consequence your 32 GB will presumably be still reasonably usable.
Regarding RAM, with 1st violins only: If you want to load all available microphones with all available articulations, much RAM is necessary (these are the quick tests on my computer):
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 10 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.
With a Preload size of 8192 Samples, you will need around 5 GB of RAM for the FULL Libtrary / 1st Violins.Best,
Paul
Hi Paul! Is this a typo?
No it's the art of reading between Paul's lines 😉
This Synchron Series will be a bigger Hardware-Challenge - more than I have expected it would be.
I think I have to re-plan ...
Hi,
My suggestion is to take advantage of the options that are available, to minimize RAM consumption.
You will also get away with a lower Pre-Load size with an arrangement, it all depends on how you use the strings, with all the X-Fading Options, and the available mic positions.
Best,
Paul