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    Hi Muziksculp - thanks so much for the compliment! (Yes, that is me.) 
     
    Almost all the time I use live strings, but sometimes the samples I write with end up in the final score, depending on the cue. I’ve used VSL libraries since day one, and still use many of their instruments over newer stuff from other libraries. 
     
    I really like the sound of the Synchron soft legato presets, and would be thrilled if the legato transitions were a little slower, and maybe a little more prominent, somewhere in-between slur and regular. As is, it’s a little on the clinical side for some pieces, but I’ve already used SS on a number of mockups, and in the right cue, they can sound great. In addition to using Blur, what I’m doing in the meantime to create the illusion of a slower legato transition is setting up a multi with two layers, Leg-Soft-LyV (X) Leg-slur-LyV, with a Slot Crossfade between them, and somewhere in the middle setting the perception is of a slower crossfade. Not ideal, but it’s a workaround for me. I could also slow the transitions down using the Stretch function, but would rather not do that as it creates other issues. Looking forward to using the Sychron Player.
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    @garylionelli said:

    Hi Muziksculp - thanks so much for the compliment! (Yes, that is me.) 
     
    Almost all the time I use live strings, but sometimes the samples I write with end up in the final score, depending on the cue. I’ve used VSL libraries since day one, and still use many of their instruments over newer stuff from other libraries. 
     
    I really like the sound of the Synchron soft legato presets, and would be thrilled if the legato transitions were a little slower, and maybe a little more prominent, somewhere in-between slur and regular. As is, it’s a little on the clinical side for some pieces, but I’ve already used SS on a number of mockups, and in the right cue, they can sound great. In addition to using Blur, what I’m doing in the meantime to create the illusion of a slower legato transition is setting up a multi with two layers, Leg-Soft-LyV (X) Leg-slur-LyV, with a Slot Crossfade between them, and somewhere in the middle setting the perception is of a slower crossfade. Not ideal, but it’s a workaround for me. I could also slow the transitions down using the Stretch function, but would rather not do that as it creates other issues. Looking forward to using the Sychron Player.

    Hello Gary,

    Thank You Very Much for the helpful feedback, and tips. 

    I'm delighted to see you on this forum, and look forward to enjoy more of your soundtrack works.

    Your score for 'Last Days In Vietnam' is one of my favorites. I also like the O.J Made In America score, currently listening to your latest work 'The News Paper Man : The Life and Times of Ben Bradlee' a wonderful, and interesting score as well. You have very good taste. 

    Going back to VSL, I really wish they improve the Legato system for Synchron Strings via their Synchron Player, we will know when they release it in May. 

    Again, it is a pleasure and honor hearing from you on this forum. 

    All The Best,

    Muziksculp 
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    Thanks again Muziksculp! Just FYI, I hadn't used the Stretch function since trying it on Dimension Strings a long while back, but just it tried on Synchron Strings (using the stock PortoSlow preset) and the results are very good. It slows the transition just a little and helps add some expressiveness.
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    @garylionelli said:

    Thanks again Muziksculp! Just FYI, I hadn't used the Stretch function since trying it on Dimension Strings a long while back, but just it tried on Synchron Strings (using the stock PortoSlow preset) and the results are very good. It slows the transition just a little and helps add some expressiveness.

    Hi Gary,

    And Thanks again for your helpful feedback regarding the use of the Stretch function on Synch.Strings. 

    Cheers,

    Muziksculp 
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    Hi,

    Now that the new Synchron Piano is relesed, I'm looking forward to see the new Synchron Strings Player released during May. hopefully it will offer :

    * Improved Legato functionality

    * Improved overall workflow 

    * Other Misc. Improvements 

     

    Thanks,

    Muziksculp 
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    I agree with Muziksculp.

    We were made believe that "Strings [has been] re-invented" by VSL.

    While playability is important, I would say realism is equally so.

    There are great potentials with Synchron Strings esp. with a new player, but it will be sad that they remain to be just potentials.
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    Hi Paul,

    Thanks for letting us know that you will address the issues mentioned with the release of the Synchron Player. 

     

    Hopefully your development team can release it during May！！！

     

    Instead of June, July, August, endless procrastination!!!
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    Hello VSL/Paul, 

    It would be really nice to hear some feedback from you regarding the status of the Synchron Strings Player. 

    Hopefully you will be releasing it this month. The Synchron Player will make using this library much easier, better, and possibly improve the Legato, and other functionalities. 

     

    Thanks,
    Muziksculp 
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    I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot releasedate in July.
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    @LAJ said:


    I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot date ... 29th ...

    I don't know how reliable your fortune teller is, so I would rather hear from VSL directly. 
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    Goddamn ... you are fast...
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    @LAJ said:

    I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot releasedate in July.

    NO.. Please Not July, and Not June !  Hopefully this month ... May, please please ! 

    You need to find a new fortune teller.  😃
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    Hi

    I've noticed that the Legato-Vib and the Legato-NoVib patches are louder than the Legato-Lyr. Is it normal or am I missing something ?

    Best,

    David
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    @LAJ said:

    I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot releasedate in July.

    NO.. Please Not July, and Not June ! Hopefully this month ... May, please please !
    You need to find a new fortune teller.

    Soon. It will be soon.
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    @Spoilsman said:

    Even when we get it, the legato will remain so bad it has to be hidden with legato blur. Everybody should demand a refund, or VSL should do the right thing and refund all early adopters, because we were misled.


    Player is a very complex product - as partitionaly programmer I understand, that it can take an unpredictably lot time for tweaking, so ok, I ready to wait for a tested and tweaked version - it is not a problem, we can use this library with ViPro/VePro just now.

    But with what is written about legato - I agree, it is a big problem. For now SY "legato" (exerpt slur mode) sounds as a keyboard scripted legato, not as legato of stringed instruments. Compared to DS, this is not "revolutionary Legato Performances excel with a newly heightened realism", as we have read on the SY webpage in a prepaid period,  but a step back to the early 2000s.

    It is necessary to additionally record the necessary samples to legato began to sound at least as in Dimension Strings library - we know, VSL can and know how to make a string legato!
    In my opinion, strategically now it would be more important to "save" SY Strings by releasing no Sy strings FX, but a Sy strings legato addendum, so that this library would like to be used, not moved to a spare hard disk and be forgotten..

    Sy strings buyers, lets go to collect 5 euros each for the Synchron string band to play several examples live for the VSL team so they can finally hear the difference between 'keyboard' SY and live strings legato?)
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    @V_ad_im said:

    Sy strings buyers, lets go to collect 5 euros each for the Synchron string band to play several examples live for the VSL team so they can finally hear the difference between 'keyboard' SY and live strings legato?)
    I think that's a bit unfair to say about the players who performed, who no doubt are very capable musicians. I believe there are several issues at hand as to the cause of the quality of the legatos recorded. One flaw I think is not letting the players play more 'organic', rather than seeking technical perfection per note. 

    I'm not sure how VSL implemented the transitions in Synchron, but their original idea way back when they 'invented' it is the best, record the legato transition and the whole target note which follows. That's not what they did here, they seem to have recorded transitions only (I'm even not sure how much legato layers are in the samples) and faded them into the sustains. Now, while that can work fine also, other competitors have done this far far better. Even the aging Hollywood Strings. They really need to sit down and examine where this went wrong, especially since it is supposed to be "revolutionary". Heck, their own, older products have better legato than this.
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    @Sovereign said:

    I think that's a bit unfair to say about the players who performed, who no doubt are very capable musicians.

     Sure, there are no claims to the performers themselves, I meant to let the VSL recording and cut team to hear legato sound in a live performance-maybe they have not attended live concerts for a long time and have been listening to strings only from their midi keyboards for years and forget how it sounds in reality..)
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    @Sovereign said:

    I think that's a bit unfair to say about the players who performed, who no doubt are very capable musicians.

     Sure, there are no claims to the performers themselves, I meant to let the VSL recording and cut team to hear legato sound in a live performance-maybe they have not attended live concerts for a long time and have been listening to strings only from their midi keyboards for years and forget how it sounds in reality..)

    LOL, perhaps. Or, all they might need to do is examine at a few competitor products to see how it is supposed to sound.
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    @Sovereign said:

     Or, all they might need to do is examine at a few competitor products to see how it is supposed to sound.



    Or even their own previous products)
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    @LAJ said:


    I asked a fortune teller. She gave me a brandhot date ... 29th ...

    I don't know how reliable your fortune teller is, so I would rather hear from VSL directly. 

    So today we might be able to judge the reliability 😉