@guittarzzan said:

Personally, I consider things like this to be first world problems.  

Everything we have to deal with is a first world problem. Making electronic music is a first world problem. Working as a composer and paying off your mortgage is a first world problem. We live in the first world. I don't see how pointing that out makes any difference at all.

Because right now in Syria, there is probably a woman looking for her daughter under a pile of rubble from an airstrike.  Because right now, the poorest nation in the middle east is being bombed by Saudi Arabia and the people are starving.  These are things I use to remind myself of how lucky I am and how angry/frustrated to get when things like a string library release get delayed.  It puts things in perspective.  I would also say that if the delay of this string library has put you at risk of paying your mortgage then you shouldn't have bought it to begin with.  I would put paying my mortgage way, way higher on the priority list than spending money on a latest greatest string library.  Again, this is a first world problem in my opinion.  Keeps me from getting outraged at the great many little bumps in life.

cheers,

Steve

Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!

I ordered in october and waited for the promised release in "november" in order to finish a current project Im working on. (As I am working on limited budget its not that easy just to say "then you should have bought other products before")

What upsets me the most is that not only:

1.) is the release now sheduled december, but

2.) as they never said on the product page or anywhere "will be released in pieces" (=UNFINISHED) 

Point 1 alone would be upsetting, but 2.) is the icing on the cake and is NOT acceptable!

There has never been a word on "will be released in pieces". Thats just customer taunting!!

I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough!

Maybe they will offer the pre-ordering-customers some kind of cheap discount for upcoming Synchron-Stage-releases - but that would also be a complete joke, as the customer shouldnt have spend even More money for getting a "we´re sorry"-bonus.

The next problem with these shitty news is that the new product has to excel and be of uber-quality otherwise people will be even more upset and VSL just even more embarrassed.

I just cant get my around the fact, that not only the release will be delayed, but that we are NOW told, that the product will Not be released as it was sold, but in parts/pieces. I am extremly enraged and frustated!

Oh my god you people. I get that it's disappointing and it's natural to be excited for a release like this, but the humans working at VSL have to edit literally maybe 100,000 samples. 

I work in tech. When only half of things go wrong it's a good day. That's just the world we live in. VSL have a great track record on this – especially compared to the other large sample company who shall remain nameless – and they're allowed miss 1 deadline by a few days once every 15 years.

Also, remember that you're talking to people, not just a company, who are doing their best to get a probably terrific product to us. Let's be patient.

Now let's all go drink some beer.

Dear VSL,

Take your time! It's what makes VSL the best. 😊

I can imagine a VSL rebranding and redesigned marketing campaign (including a release/demo schedule) that I think would probably launch VSL into space. But I'd rather buy from a company that focused more on their product than their logo.

For the record, 1) I'm using samples from VSL that were recorded nearly 2 decades ago. 2) Now I'm even rebuilding my entire template around some VSL instruments I normally never use (due to a recent discovery in how to use convolution more effectively). Both are only possible because of a ridiculously high quality standard. 

If I am to be a true Jedi (which of course, I am) then patience is in order!

-Sean

@Banquo said:

Oh my god you people. I get that it's disappointing and it's natural to be excited for a release like this, but the humans working at VSL have to edit literally maybe 100,000 samples. 

I work in tech. When only half of things go wrong it's a good day. That's just the world we live in. VSL have a great track record on this – especially compared to the other large sample company who shall remain nameless – and they're allowed miss 1 deadline by a few days once every 15 years.

Yes quite.....even more reason then to not take peoples money whilst promising a release date for the whole library that now looks seemingly quite unrealistic.

I think if you are going to start taking peoples money promising a November release, it is bad, 3 days before the end of November to delay it, potentially a whole month or more and say you will only actually now be releasing the library in parts.

So basically everyone who has paid the money and has the code sitting their accounts have been somewhat screwed over.

I , like i'm sure many others were, was expecting demos, a final release date (ie that it would be available in a few days) on Monday. Instead we got a a delay and now a staggered release of the library with still no concrete info on when we will actually get the full library.

Lets not forget only a few weeks ago a VSL rep made absolutely NO hint at a delay and said demos would be coming very soon.

Sweetwater is charging full price according to their website.

@Vienna-J said:

Well, I have to articulate my extreme [u]discontent[/u] and [u]rage[/u] for the bad news! I ordered in october and waited for the promised release in "november" in order to finish a current project Im working on. (As I am working on limited budget its not that easy just to say "then you should have bought other products before") What upsets me the most is that not only: 1.) is the release now sheduled december, but 2.) as they never said on the product page or anywhere "will be released in pieces" (=UNFINISHED) Point 1 alone would be upsetting, but 2.) is the icing on the cake and is NOT acceptable! There has never been a word on "will be released in pieces". Thats just [b]customer taunting!![/b] I am Really [u]pissed-off[/u]! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! Maybe they will offer the pre-ordering-customers some kind of cheap discount for upcoming Synchron-Stage-releases - but that would also be a complete joke, as the customer shouldnt have spend even More money for getting a "we´re sorry"-bonus. The next problem with these shitty news is thatthe new product has to excel and be of uber-quality otherwise people will be even more upset and VSL just even more embarrassed. I just cant get my around the fact, that not only the release will be delayed, but that we are NOW told, that the product will Not be released as it was sold, but in parts/pieces. [b]I amextremly enraged and frustated![/b]

@esperlad said:

Sweetwater is charging full price according to their website.

@Mobius said:

“Rage”? Really? Something’s definitely not right with your perspective if a product delay causes rage. Annoyance perhaps, but rage? Sorry, but your post reads as either extreme over-reaction or sarcasm.

CLEARLY, we all love VSL's fine work so much that we get extremely passionate about it. That must be it.

Speaking of being extremely passionate about VSL...

We just had our first child 2 weeks ago, a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't....... 😕 but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked.

Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit. 😛

-Sean

@SJSF said:

... a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't....... but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked. Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit. -Sean

"Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!" - I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! - Vienna-j

This is hilarious.  

The kind of reaction shown by silly posts like this represents something disturbing in society right now - that people today are weaklings who cannot do anything for themselves and who start bawling like infants as soon as they don't get what they want instantly.  As stated in the great recent Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - "They're stronger than us because they don't need power."  This person not only needs power, he needs everything provided to him instantly without any delay or he will start crying and soiling his diapers. I just wish these people had to create a sample library instead of just CONSUME - their only ability. 

No need to shut the thread down or chastize me - this is my only comment.

@William said:

"Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!" - I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! - Vienna-j

This is hilarious.  

The kind of reaction shown by silly posts like this represents something disturbing in society right now - that people today are weaklings who cannot do anything for themselves and who start bawling like infants as soon as they don't get what they want instantly.  As stated in the great recent Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - "They're stronger than us because they don't need power."  This person not only needs power, he needs everything provided to him instantly without any delay or he will start crying and soiling his diapers. I just wish these people had to create a sample library instead of just CONSUME - their only ability. 

No need to shut the thread down or chastize me - this is my only comment.

"Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!" - I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough! - Vienna-j

This is hilarious.  

Thank you for the update Paul. It is a bit unfortunate, but it can happen. I hope the Early Bird gets prolonged until some demos are out.

Since this product has been delayed and is being released in sections, will it be possible to buy each section separately? At least I could afford it as I think this would be very helpful to me.

At the end of the clip, I had heard some loops on one section (may be celli section) at 0:30 and 0:32 , so it is , may  be, possible that something went wrong ...

@Mobius said:

“Rage”? Really? Something’s definitely not right with your perspective if a product delay causes rage. Annoyance perhaps, but rage? Sorry, but your post reads as either extreme over-reaction or sarcasm.

CLEARLY, we all love VSL's fine work so much that we get extremely passionate about it. That must be it.

Speaking of being extremely passionate about VSL...

We just had our first child 2 weeks ago, a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't....... 😕 but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked.

Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit. 😛

-Sean

Thanks, also for understanding the nature/origin of my post. Also congratulations, very much

It seems like some people (according to their reactions) misred my previous - admittetly a little bit exaggerated - post, as the intend and main concern was Not the incoming delay, but the news about Synchron Strings now beeing released in pieces. Especially what a previous poster said about a previously released product (Dimensions - last bits 2 years later) somehow fueled my post. I didnt know about that happening and hope that will not be the case (again). 

@plowman said:

 

 

I'm only guessing here, but Synchron may be able to vary short sounds dynamically, depeding on how they're played -- or at least switch from short to long as the MIDI note and CC's dictate. Consider this from the announcement:

  

 

 

How? 😊 With 50 ms of delay, maybe. How could it othersie foresee you will release the key quickly (staccato).
The only solution is to layer staccato notes and long notes on the same patch, and use the staccato as the attack of the long note. Personally, I hope it isn't like that 😊

Vienna-J & LAJ,

Thanks to both! We're happy and sleep deprived! And I could probably name a son Dietz. I could train him to be a sleeper agent so he could someday infultrate VSL to get the source code for MIR. It'd be worth it.

I'd understand concerns about delay and the segmented release schedule. To be fair, I've seen the same thing before with every leading orchestral library out there. Most just keep a lid on it until release day. I actually prefer getting things in parts cause it forces me to get to know the instrument before I commit to a template. It usually helps a ton when come time to build a template. But I can absolutely relate to the sense of urgency in your post. I'm sure we all know it's best not to hang a job on a new product. But sometimes it's not avoidable either, especially when you don't have a lengthly list of orchestral samples to already work with. Been there done that.

The only thing I disagree with you on is "a little big exaggerated". Come on now, just admit it. You were a raging madman! 😇 5-6 years ago I flamed in forums constantly (my excuse was a very broken childhood). All the craziness aside, I think every last one of us can at least agree on one thing ---> we either get demos soon, or we should threaten to flood the General board with seriously wonky VSL mp3 demos using our existing instruments! I'd be down with experimenting with VI-Pro's feature and an LFO on just about every CC-assignable feature to make some unnatural cello magic happen. It could get ugly.

One thing that's irking me about this release. The more I sit here and think "gee, I wonder how much I'm going to be flipping out over this soon..." my thoughts keep turning to extreme impatience. Not for demos. No. I'm getting impatient for Synchron Brass already. My SE+ tuba has served me well. But I so desparately want a new one.

-Sean