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  • Does MIR Pro seem a little overpriced now ?

     I am a MIR Pro user, and it is amazing,  all that R&D, and coding made it cost €800,  and seemed to be worth every penny (cent). 

    So with MIR Pro 24 only €400, and  24 Instruments/sections is not much of a limitation at all,  it is really the same thing for half price, it seems we all paid a little too much for MIR Pro.  [:|]


  • Just wait until you get the VSL Dimension Strings, there you will have the 24 instrument slots already filled up only with violins ;)


  • I would say at almost 3 times less the cost and the only difference is the amount of channels I would say MIR pro is a little overpriced.


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    @Animus said:

    almost 3 times less
     

    How do you get this calculation??

    best

    Herb


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    @gabriel81 said:

    Just wait until you get the VSL Dimension Strings, there you will have the 24 instrument slots already filled up only with violins 😉

     

     Assuming Dimension Strings* works like Dimension Brass, then you will still only have 5 string sections going to MIR,  VI Pro will deal with the divisi, as dividing each section into four is enough division (and if it isn't - I am sure an updated VI Pro would resolve that).

    Perhaps MIR users could take a count of their MIR stage and post here how many typical instruments they have on the stage.  It just never seems to quite get to 24 instances.  Which is why I mentioned that MIR24 is not really limited much at all.

    * This is assuming also, that Dimension Strings is something that will exist at some point !


  • Hi Herb

    At it's price you should be able to use MIR PRO on 3 computers, specially that today MIR PRO is still a I/O-CPU exterminator.

    Just hoping that VI 2.2 will solve this !! any news ? 

    Best

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @andyjh said:

    Perhaps MIR users could take a count of their MIR stage and post here how many typical instruments they have on the stage.  It just never seems to quite get to 24 instances.  

    97 x Vi + ???? audio input 

    I am waiting to see when MIR PRO/VE/VI  will be a bit more stabilized to make the choice of sending the other instruments in 6 channels (5.1) or to send them in stereo channels to MIR or to use the 5.1 reverb of Logic


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  •  How do you get 97 sections on one stage - there wouldn't normally be that amount of players in a complete symphony orchestra.  70 string players is still only 5 MIR entries

    How are you working with MIR?


  • MIR Pro is not overpriced. Pro24 has a similar base like Pro SE, so why founding a new small version if there is a platform of Pro SE users. I worked with the demo of MIR Pro and found out that my Mac Pro 8-core is not fast enough to do all the things in a satisfying speed, so I will invest into the MIR Pro after replacing my 3,1 Mac Pro with the new one coming in April 2012. 

    MIR Pro is worth the money in all functions. I am happy that the price is not higher than 800 Euro. If you earn no money with music, so just for spare time, then I agree that the price is hard to overcome, but if you earn money the price of 800 Euros is nothing against the results you can offer to the music industry. Think about it.


  •  As I bought MIR Pro, I was quite happy that for that technolgy, €800 was the price it needed to be, and as I mentioned previously I think it is worth it. 

    But if it needs to be €800 that is fine,  so how come MIR Pro 24 halves it at €400?  with such a small difference between them, my point is, that I don't think MIR Pro 24 has enough restriction to justify the pricing difference. 

    I wouldn't classify MIR Pro 24 as being a "smaller version", it's virtually the same thing.

    Maybe some future updates may widen their spec further? ................


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    @andyjh said:

     How do you get 97 sections on one stage - there wouldn't normally be that amount of players in a complete symphony orchestra.  70 string players is still only 5 MIR entries

    How are you working with MIR?

     

     My 1st violin section takes up 7 stage positions:

    App Vln 1 x 2

    Orch Vln 1 x 2

    Chamb Vln 1 x 2

    Solo Vln

    If I wanted mutes as well, that would be 14 stage positions per section. That's already 70 for the Strings.

    DG


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    @DG said:

     My 1st violin section takes up 7 stage positions:

    App Vln 1 x 2

    Orch Vln 1 x 2

    Chamb Vln 1 x 2

    Solo Vln

    If I wanted mutes as well, that would be 14 stage positions per section. That's already 70 for the Strings.

    DG

    Same for me

    If my memory is good (I am not in front of my music computer) winds are 30, brass are 32,....

    I had 8 x VE before moving to VE PRO 5 and MIR PRO


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • How about offering MIR Pro12 for 200Euros, or better yet, MIR Pro1 for 20Euros?  I'm sure that would get the other convolution reverb suppliers scrambling.


  • I have the same Setup as DG stated, with additional ones for both LASS and Symphobia 1&2 to layer with.  My templates completely crush past the 24 icon limitation.

    I see what some of you are trying to say about the price, but I still feel I got a great deal because I purchased the original MIR and got my upgrades for free.  On top of this, compared to purchasing a Bricasti and other hardware units, you still save a lot of money.  Not to forget how easy MIR PRO is to work with for instant decent/great results.  Some people who only play solo piano and maybe solo violin might have some heartburn over this but for me, I felt I got a great deal paying full price for MIR.

    Maestro2be


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    @andyjh said:

     I am a MIR Pro user, and it is amazing,  all that R&D, and coding made it cost €800,  and seemed to be worth every penny (cent). 

    So with MIR Pro 24 only €400, and  24 Instruments/sections is not much of a limitation at all,  it is really the same thing for half price, it seems we all paid a little too much for MIR Pro. 

    While VSL usually doesn't comment their pricing scheme it might be worth mentioning that MIR Pro 24 is mainly meant as a friendly offer for those professional MIR users who need a second or third license for slave computers ... it's hard to please everybody, I know, but it's a bit surprising to read a complaint that a new product is too _cheap_ ...

    [:S]

    From another point-of-view, MIR Pro 24 can also be seen as the successor of legacy Vienna MIR SE - as an entry into the world of multi impulse response-based mixing. Nevertheless I think that most of the experienced users will agree that it won't take away from full-blown MIR Pro with unlimited stage positions. 😊

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • okay, at less than half the cost then.   :-)


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    @Dietz said:

     MIR Pro 24 is mainly meant as a friendly offer for those professional MIR users who need a second or third license for slave computers 

    It depends how you calculate it [;)]

    MIR PRO =  100 instruments = 800 Euro = 8 euro per instrument (If I use IAC, less if I use Event input on the best Mac availlable))

    MIR PRO 24 = 24 instruments = 400 euro = 16.67 euro per instrument

    Today you cannot use the full power(1) of a 12 core Macpro ( only 60 %)

    At 60 % of power used you get hanging notes

    If you cannot fix the hanging note problem ;  MIR PRO sould have the same licencing rules than VE PRO 5, 3 serials per user

    Best regards

    Cyril

    (1) if we could have the number of voice used we could make better calculation


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Cyril, what is the hanging note problem? I've never noticed this on my system. Can you be more specific as to what causes it?

    DG


  • Hi DG, 

    If I may jump in here: Hanging notes do occur in combination with the Multiport Environment we have established specifically for Logic. Unfortunately Logic sometimes randomly drops notes internally (the heavier the traffic, the more likely this occurs). 

    This is something we are working on together with the Logic developers (it cannot be solved by VSL alone, as pointed out in many posts and also in the changelogs and manuals). 

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi DG, 

    If I may jump in here: Hanging notes do occur in combination with the Multiport Environment we have established specifically for Logic. Unfortunately Logic sometimes randomly drops notes internally (the heavier the traffic, the more likely this occurs). 

    This is something we are working on together with the Logic developers (it cannot be solved by VSL alone, as pointed out in many posts and also in the changelogs and manuals). 

    Best, 

    Paul

     

    OK, so there is no problem with VE Pro then. So Cyril is asking for a discount just because he chose to use a particular sequencer? [:O]

    DG