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  • DietzD
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    @Cyril said:

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    - In the Mixer If you place a surround panning before or under MIR what is happening ?

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    Like mentioned in MIR Pro's manual, remove / don't use the surround panner in a channel that carries a MIR Pro signal.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
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    @Cyril said:

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    i will contact Sales

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    Yes please, do that.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Cyril said:

    While writing this I am watching ARTE HD, the best of 2011 for classical music, I can tell you that in some pieces they use the LFE 

    ARTE only broadcasts dolby surround signals in 2.0, there's absolutely no transmission of a .1 channel.

    The signal that you obviously hear from your subwoofer is being created by some kind of bass management of your receiver.

    You shouldn't think about using the LFE channel for a music soundtrack as it's not made for that purpose, most soundtracks are in fact only 4.0

    best regards

    Florian
  • Cyril BlancC
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    @florian said:

    ARTE only broadcasts dolby surround signals in 2.0, there's absolutely no transmission of a .1 channel.

    The signal that you obviously hear from your subwoofer is being created by some kind of bass management of your receiver.

    You shouldn't think about using the LFE channel for a music soundtrack as it's not made for that purpose, most soundtracks are in fact only 4.0

    best regards

    Florian

    sorry Florian you have to check your sources :

    http://investor.dolby.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=344375

    PARIS, Oct 31, 2008.........

     Initial services available on TNT HD include popular channels TF1 HD, France 2 HD, ARTE HD, Canal+ HD, and M6 HD. Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio will allow viewers to enjoy broadcasts in 5.1 surround sound as well as stereo.

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @Cyril said:

    sorry Florian you have to check your sources :

    http://investor.dolby.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=344375

    PARIS, Oct 31, 2008.........

    Cyril, you really can trust me, in this case my sources are the best one could possibly imagine.

    best regards
  • Cyril BlancC
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    @Dietz said:

    You don't "turn off the LFE" in these bass-managed TV-surround sets, you're turning off the sub-woofer. Like pointed out before, that's not the same.

    It's almost certain that the sub-woofer will also carry the LFE-signal, but without checking the raw audio data you won't know what really went into this channel.

    I have re-read the documentation of the Denon 3808.

    We are talking of the same but not using the same words, on the documentation of my Denon amplifier you set the subwoofer to play LFE or LFE + Main

    now we are in agrement ! [;)]

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Cyril BlancC
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    Hello Dietz and Martin

    I have Email you what could be a solution.

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • M
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    We have investigated the surround handling in Logic. The problem is that Logic is sending wrong configurations to the VEPro AU Plugin. Logic can even request configurations that the plugin reportedly does not support, which is a breach of the AU specification from Logics side. We have tried to create several workarounds for this, without success. We are awaiting reply from Apple developers on how to proceed in this matter.

    So for now, when using Logic and using a 5.1 or 6.1 surround setup, the VEPro plugin will be initialized as 5.0 or 6.0 respectively. However, since the LFE channel should never be used for music mixing, it should not be much of an issue. Hopefully Apple gets around to solving this bug as soon as possible.
  • C
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    Any word on the ETA for the VEP update with the new multi-port feature for Logic?
  • PaulP
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    PaulP

    Hi,

    As soon as we are through with testing. These are quite some changes, so we need to consider all parameters. 

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Cyril BlancC
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    Hi Paul

    Why dont you give us a beta, that will help you a lot as your Beta team left quite a few holes in VEP 5 and in MIR

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    I wish this were true. I too purchased the VEPRO 5 update almost exclusively for the event input feature. I've diligently followed the instructions in the manual and video, and wasted time scouring these forums for lack of better customer service and tech support options offered by VSL. I have an I/O utility plug in every server and corresponding event input track. It works splendidly UNTIL you make any changes in tempo. At that point event input tracks die like they have the plague, and VEPRO 5 hangs and freezes. I appreciate that programs have bugs and they take time to fix them, but can you offer any solutions other that actually work?
  • M
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    The next update of VEPro5 will offer a solution for running multiple midi ports into one AU for Logic, by using an environment layer. Perhaps this solution might be better for you.
  • T
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    @MS said:

    The next update of VEPro5 will offer a solution for running multiple midi ports into one AU for Logic

    Hmm... Sorry for being cynical, but wasn't that the sales pitch for VEP5 in the first place?
  • M
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    The Event Input plugin works well for a large number of hosts. Logic just happens to be an extraordinarily nonstandard AU-host.
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    @MS said:

    Logic just happens to be an extraordinarily nonstandard AU-host.

    I understand that. However, I also do believe that it's an application that's being used daily in more than a couple of eccentric households. Like jbass27, I didn't hesitate to pay for that feature because I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that the VSL research staff knew that.

    I'm not asking for my money back because I still think that VSL sample libraries are the best in the business, and because I think that eventually some of my money will be invested in the further development of these libraries. I'll just be more careful with new VSL products next time.
  • M
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    I think that the new Logic environment solution that will be available *very soon*, might be your best bet. We are trying to do what we can to get around the pitfalls and bugs of Logic, so please bear with us :)
  • M
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    Hi MS

    You said it use logic environment solution. Is it mean 'Environment Window'?

    Is there something end user have to do with Envrionment setup?

    If it's true... It's not a closed solution I think.

    Im familiar with Logic environment setup but I'm afraid most users are not.

    If possible please make more simple solution.

    I know It's a really hard job to do.

    It's almost make it possible with impossible thing.

    Thanks
  • Cyril BlancC
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    Dont worry it is simple to make a Logic song with the Macro inside, so you use the song as it is or you import the layer that contains the VSL Macro in your song

    If I use my 99 track tempate with using event input I have sometimes hangging notes.

    The result I have now using 1/2 IAC and 1/2 Event input, is working quite well, it is using 2 processors in Logic instead of one, I just have the problem with the 5.0 instead of 5.1

    Looks like VSL is taking too much time to read data comming from Logic or Logic take too much time to send data to VSL and it is forgetting some times  to send the "note off" messages, this is why I had sometimes hanging notes.

    Spliting the trafic between IAC and Event input is a solution today, I DO NOT USE the VSL "surround instrument" to send midi to VSL, the 1st midi port is using the midi event plug-ins

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" - 1 x 27" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D Dolby Atmos --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • J
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    That's fine, but what about in the meantime - its pretty absurd not to be able to change tempo without crashing - even when not using the event input plug (as I just discovered). You guys really missed the mark on this one. Logic is a mainstream DAW. Calling it eccentric and blaming Apple for problems with your new release is infuriating. I understand that new releases have bugs, but my patience and willingness to give you the beneift of the doubt goes out the window when I read nearly ten pages of forum threads that span a period of two months, and you're just now acknowledging that your "fix" is garbage. I honestly feel ripped off by VSL this time around, which is a shame because I was such a fan of VEPRO before. As I said, I'm sure you'll get in figured out, but in the meantime, do you have any functional alternatives to at least prevent VEPRO 5 from hanging and crashing Logic?