I don't see how I can improve on my last post, so I'll simply refer to it again.

@MS said:

I don't see how I can improve on my last post, so I'll simply refer to it again.

Hello Martin,

Do you have a 5.1 or 7.1 system on your TV set ?

If yes, watch a movie from a Blue Ray disk with sound in Dolby, Dolby PLIIX, DTS.... and turn on and off the LFE during heavy musical parts, you will ear no more bass, the drums kick will be very week, the bass synth too.

While writing this I am watching ARTE HD, the best of 2011 for classical music, I can tell you that in some pieces they use the LFE 

I have a few questions :

- In the Mixer If you place a surround panning before or under MIR what is happening ? (they may be a solution there and to add a little reverb in Logic)

- Did you solve with Logic people the 5.0 problem ?

All the best for 2012

Cyril

You won't read it anyway, but I'll explain it to you for the 5th or 6th time:

You don't "turn off the LFE" in these bass-managed TV-surround sets, you're turning off the sub-woofer. Like pointed out before, that's not the same.

It's almost certain that the sub-woofer will also carry the LFE-signal, but without checking the raw audio data you won't know what really went into this channel.

I mixed several dozens of huge music productions in surround, some of them became award-winning, multi-platinum selling products. They were mastered in the most esteemed mastering houses in Europe, where no-one ever complained. I can tell you that apart from a little "woop woop" from a bass-drum (just for the sake of it) there was no signal in the LFE channel whatsoever.

@Cyril said:

[...]

- In the Mixer If you place a surround panning before or under MIR what is happening ?

[...]

Like mentioned in MIR Pro's manual, remove / don't use the surround panner in a channel that carries a MIR Pro signal.

@Cyril said:

[...]

i will contact Sales

[...]

Yes please, do that.

@Cyril said:

While writing this I am watching ARTE HD, the best of 2011 for classical music, I can tell you that in some pieces they use the LFE 

ARTE only broadcasts dolby surround signals in 2.0, there's absolutely no transmission of a .1 channel.

The signal that you obviously hear from your subwoofer is being created by some kind of bass management of your receiver.

You shouldn't think about using the LFE channel for a music soundtrack as it's not made for that purpose, most soundtracks are in fact only 4.0

best regards

Florian

@florian said:

ARTE only broadcasts dolby surround signals in 2.0, there's absolutely no transmission of a .1 channel.

The signal that you obviously hear from your subwoofer is being created by some kind of bass management of your receiver.

You shouldn't think about using the LFE channel for a music soundtrack as it's not made for that purpose, most soundtracks are in fact only 4.0

best regards

Florian

sorry Florian you have to check your sources :

http://investor.dolby.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=344375

PARIS, Oct 31, 2008.........

 Initial services available on TNT HD include popular channels TF1 HD, France 2 HD, ARTE HD, Canal+ HD, and M6 HD. Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio will allow viewers to enjoy broadcasts in 5.1 surround sound as well as stereo.

@Cyril said:

sorry Florian you have to check your sources :

http://investor.dolby.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=344375

PARIS, Oct 31, 2008.........

Cyril, you really can trust me, in this case my sources are the best one could possibly imagine.

best regards

@Dietz said:

You don't "turn off the LFE" in these bass-managed TV-surround sets, you're turning off the sub-woofer. Like pointed out before, that's not the same.

It's almost certain that the sub-woofer will also carry the LFE-signal, but without checking the raw audio data you won't know what really went into this channel.

I have re-read the documentation of the Denon 3808.

We are talking of the same but not using the same words, on the documentation of my Denon amplifier you set the subwoofer to play LFE or LFE + Main

now we are in agrement ! [;)]

Hello Dietz and Martin

I have Email you what could be a solution.

Best

Cyril

We have investigated the surround handling in Logic. The problem is that Logic is sending wrong configurations to the VEPro AU Plugin. Logic can even request configurations that the plugin reportedly does not support, which is a breach of the AU specification from Logics side. We have tried to create several workarounds for this, without success. We are awaiting reply from Apple developers on how to proceed in this matter.

So for now, when using Logic and using a 5.1 or 6.1 surround setup, the VEPro plugin will be initialized as 5.0 or 6.0 respectively. However, since the LFE channel should never be used for music mixing, it should not be much of an issue. Hopefully Apple gets around to solving this bug as soon as possible.

Any word on the ETA for the VEP update with the new multi-port feature for Logic?

Hi,

As soon as we are through with testing. These are quite some changes, so we need to consider all parameters. 

Best,

Paul

Hi Paul

Why dont you give us a beta, that will help you a lot as your Beta team left quite a few holes in VEP 5 and in MIR

Best

Cyril

The next update of VEPro5 will offer a solution for running multiple midi ports into one AU for Logic, by using an environment layer. Perhaps this solution might be better for you.

@MS said:

The next update of VEPro5 will offer a solution for running multiple midi ports into one AU for Logic

Hmm... Sorry for being cynical, but wasn't that the sales pitch for VEP5 in the first place?

The Event Input plugin works well for a large number of hosts. Logic just happens to be an extraordinarily nonstandard AU-host.

@MS said:

Logic just happens to be an extraordinarily nonstandard AU-host.

I understand that. However, I also do believe that it's an application that's being used daily in more than a couple of eccentric households. Like jbass27, I didn't hesitate to pay for that feature because I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that the VSL research staff knew that.

I'm not asking for my money back because I still think that VSL sample libraries are the best in the business, and because I think that eventually some of my money will be invested in the further development of these libraries. I'll just be more careful with new VSL products next time.

I think that the new Logic environment solution that will be available *very soon*, might be your best bet. We are trying to do what we can to get around the pitfalls and bugs of Logic, so please bear with us :)