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    Charles, this issue comes up fairly frequently.  It simply comes down to the reality that a strings player cannot produce a loud sound using a single bowstroke for an extended period of time.

    Having said that, a player can very possibly sustain a moderate volume note longer than some of the sustains (as a bass player I can speak about the bass sustains first hand).  If you own VI Pro, there is a very reasonable solution.  The sustains can be lengthened by using the stretch tool (the tutorials note that stretching works best with non-vibrato samples, but one certainly can stretch samples with vibrato).  IMO, the stretched samples match or slightly exceed what a live player is capable of, and can prove very useful in certain situations.
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    Well, of course a single bow cannot go on indefinately. Actually, that is not the point here. Most looped sustain samples are looped with a down/up or up/down pattern, as are many of the loops in the Solo String library. As one holds down the note, one can hear the bowing change. In fact, this point was brought up in the initial response to my post.

    My inquiry was directed at why these loops simple stop after a certain number of repetitions. Apparently this is how they were designed. This does not make a lot of sense to me, but now that I know this is not an equipment failure, I can deal with it. 
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    charles, I apologize for in essence misreading your post.  There have been times where questions about the lack of loops have seemingly gone in that direction... but that is besides the point.  I made a very bad assumption.  Again, please accept my apology.
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    Hi Noldar12,

    Well, thanks! I do appreciate it and I offer my regrets if I sounded annoyed! 

    Peace,

    Charles
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    @noldar12 said:

    this issue comes up fairly frequently.

    Is it covered in the manual?
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    I am glad I came across this thread, as it answered a whole lot of questions for me...
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    @nektarios said:

    I am glad I came across this thread, as it answered a whole lot of questions for me...

    Excellent! I am glad these posts stay here after all these years. 
  • N
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     So I guess, since I tend to use lower velocities in my compositions, this probably means bow change samples don't get triggered?

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    Hi Herb, I don't understand how to retrigger a note. I am currently using solo violin sus vib, I have a long sustained note. I have divided it in to separate notes, assuming this is what retriggering means. What happens is that the previous sample seems to simply stop at the end of the first note, then when the second note triggers it resumes without a re-bow at the same sample position, and ends up stopping before the end of the second note, (even though both notes are the same!). I saw somewhere online there is an advanced setting where you can set the delay before a retrigger happens, but I can't find any more settings or information. Can you please tell me exactly what I have to do to "retrigger" a sustained note? Thanks, Derek
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    Is it something to do with the dynamics?
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    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi dezkirkup,

    Leave as little space as possible between the notes. One idea is to use a sustain pedal when you retrigger.

    Does that help?

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Thank you for this, tip, Paul. And thank you, everyone, for your inputs. This workaround with the sus really helped me out a lot. I'm glad I found this thread.

    - Gino

    @Paul said:

    Hi dezkirkup,

    Leave as little space as possible between the notes. One idea is to use a sustain pedal when you retrigger.

    Does that help?

    Best,

    Paul
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    a looped version of the sustain would be very welcome to use the solo strings as a layer with other libraries (like first chair in dimension strings). the sustain loop should contain the bow change.

     

    please please :-)