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    I'd like to post the mp3 A/B test for you to judge for yourself. But, as I said, it would not be fair (or perhaps even legal) without approval from the original file's owner.

    Ultimately, you or I or anyone can't really judge for sure without hands-on experience of Bricast. Demo tracks are one thing, but how it works in the real world, and how it integrates into the workflow is the true test.
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    Yes, probably not a good idea to post a sound retreived from others. Maybe soon someone with the unit will come upon the thread and post us some comparative examples of VSL through the various highend reverbs. All best........
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    Is anyone from the Boston area up for creating some demo files? I would be glad to come by with an M7 and spend some time making this happen.

    -Casey

    cdowdell@bricasti.com
  • J
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    Hello Casey, Thanks for the interest and availability. I've followed your very informative posts on the GS forum. I hope someone will show up who has some great arrangements using VSL that they can put through your unit. I'm very interested to hear what it sounds like. (p.s. my next reverb unit will probably be an M7!). All best, Jay-Alan Miller Paris, France
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     Hi,

    i am really curious to listen to vsl samples through what seems to be a great new reverb.

    regards

    Laurent

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    The Bricasti is stunning. I found this last year: a cue realized in VSL by Andreas Koslik, run through three different presets on an M7:

    [url=http://www.da-x.de/media/content/kosi_bricasti/Bounces_SN/Orch_pure.mp3] original[/url]

    [url=http://www.da-x.de/media/content/kosi_bricasti/Bounces_SN/Orch_Boston_Hall.mp3]Boston Hall[/url]

    [url=http://www.da-x.de/media/content/kosi_bricasti/Bounces_SN/Orch_Concert_Hall.mp3]Concert Hall[/url]

    [url=http://www.da-x.de/media/content/kosi_bricasti/Bounces_SN/Orch_Scoring_Stage.mp3]Scoring Stage[/url]
  • J
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    It sounds fantastic!!! To my ears the Boston Hall preset sounds the most 3 dimentional....... really nice. I don't think I've heard VSL sound so "real" before, but lots of A/B ing would be necessary. I'm starting to think that haveing 2 verbs going at once would be even better; varying with the early reflections and predelays of the 2 to extend the front-backness. Just to be picky, in this example when the bases come in they're not really behing to other strings for me (where thye "should" be). Maybe a little less dry signal for that instrument would do the trick. But I'm thinking that the 2 verb trick might be the best In the VSL videos about the SE Christian (I think it was him) talked about using a second verb for the perc. to put them in their place. What do you guys think?
  • Beat KaufmannB
    Beat KaufmannB

    Hello

    Sorry but I believe that the upper example is a bad one for testing a reverb.

    With long sustained string sounds of a big size ensemble you can't really make out the roomquality of a reverb.

    Even if I listen to the dry original I recognize some room components.

     

    What we need is a complex mix: Staccatos* with the string orchestra and the wood winds, brass with blaring horns or fanafare trumpets, a big organ at the back of the concert hall, percussion instruments somewhere in the room and a piccolo as a soloist just in front of us for example.

    Then let's see whether the bricasti solves this situation brilliantly or not.

    Then let's see how the bricasti manages the different depths, the transparency.

    Then let's see whether it can produce an "airy" and warm room. 

    Then let's compare it with other reverbs. 

    By the way: If you want to produce a finalmix "at one sitting" with several stage depths you need to have

    more than one bricasti... or am I wrong?   

    Beat 

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    *you can "listen to the room" between the staccatos. 

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • J
    J
    Yes thats right. Bricast is a 2 channel unit. So one stereo reverb. As a side note he new Lexicon PCM96 can do 2 stero reverbs at once, but is reputated a bit less strong on "acoustic space" verbs. On the Gearslutz forum the mixer of the recent Dark Knight soundtrack used 6 Bricasti's for the mix. For VSL we could probably get by with just 2 !!
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    R
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    @jammusique_7634 said:

    On the Gearslutz forum the mixer of the recent Dark Knight soundtrack used 6 Bricasti's for the mix...

    Must not be any staccatos in that score.
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    I too I'm shopping for reverbs but since good hardwear units like Briscali are out of my reach i had to look at plungins instead. It took me a while but i think i finally found something promising. It's a hybrid between IR and algo and the result sounds very natural to my ears.

    You can do a sort of a/b comparison between Briscali and REFLECT using the same file if you go at the link Beat provided earlier. Download the ''string Boston hall b'' Here:

    http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/127887-bricasti-m7-woohoooo.html

    And then go on the following link and download the ''Boston hall'' file and tell me what you think?

    http://www.virsyn.de/en/E_Products/E_REFLECT/e_reflect.html

    Personally, i think it sounds very good for a EU 167 plugin. But I'll admit i have no engineering talent or experience so i really don't know what I'm doing. Which is why i would like your opinion on this.


    I really liked the reverb from ArtsAcoustic as well but for different reasons.

    I bit more obvious as a reverb but very useful I'm sure. VERY well dome little pluging if you ask me.

    edited: I made a mistake. The price is in EU.

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    Note that it's not the same mp3 quality.

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    Reflect sounds nice. I've also been thinking about a PCM96 or Bricasti, but you could buy a new Mac Pro for that kind of money. Still, one day I might go for it.

  • A
    A

    Thanks Synthetic.

     I've read that v.1.4 has some new algorithm to help with stage positioning so that's a plus. 1.4 is also VST3 compatible so it can do surround. I don't need this but i thought I'd mention it.

     But what bugs me about this reverb is that it comes with a dongle and you need to pay a second time(20% off) if you want to install it on a second computer. It's not gonna prevent me from buying it but i don't like it.

     Anyone else did the a/b comparison with Briscati? 
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    Looks like somebody already made IRs of the Bricast. And it sounds pretty good to me.

    edited: I've deleted the link i posted before. I'm not sure about this product at al after all.


  • W
    W

    I'm not too impressed by these IRs made by "Studiodevices."  They really don't compare to the real Bricasti, which sounds incredible.  Furthermore, it's a little sketchy and in very poor taste to copy the real Bricasti so unabashedly.  Not only do they completely rip off the case design, but they also call it "Bree Casedy?"...come on.  

  • A
    A
    I'm not going to argue about the ethics aspect of it that's for sure. And i don't completely feel comfortable with it either. But i cant afford big hardware reverb like that but mostly, i want something good ''in the box'' as they say. Why cant they(and the Lexicon guys etc..) develop good algo reverb plugins? It seems they completely forgot about us, so why should i care about them?

     

    BTW, you're probably one of those who uses Altiverb right? They sampled a whole Lexicon unit so how is that different?
     

    I don't know about the bricasti but I've demoed Reflections LE and these impulses are far superior than any  algo reverb plugins  I've tried. In fact they sound like crap compare to it and they do fell like big expensive units so I'm very happy i found those.  I though the Bree Casedi mp3 sounded pretty. Specially the saxophone, the synth and the guitar.
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    @Another User said:

    BTW, you're probably one of those who uses Altiverb right? They sampled a whole Lexicon unit so how is that different?

    Yes, Altiverb is one of the options I turn to for reverb.  I don't have a problem with the sampling of Lexicon or other hardware units (Bricasti included) as long as it's legal.  I honestly don't know whether it is or isn't legal, but I assume that a company as reputable as Audioease would have explored this and found it to be legal to make the IRs they have included.  My problem with "Bree Casedy" is not necessarily that they've sampled the unit (again, as long as it's legal).  My problem is that that they're advertising and pushing their product by relying on brand confusion and I find that to be in poor taste.  The picture they have on their site is a clear rip-off of the face design of the Bricasti and their name "Bree Casedy" is a clear rip-off as well.  I happen to know that the developers of the Bricasti were not aware of "Bree Casedy" until after its release when someone brought it to their attention on another forum.

  • J
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    Just to clarify, taking an IR of a unit only reflects a small part of what that unit can do, 20-50% IMO. It's a marketing strategy more than anything else. I've taken the liberty to copy a post by the Bricasti Guru, appeared in Gerarsluts forum on this vary subject. - - "Make them free! Just got back from a few days off. So I'm seeing this for the first time, and yes this all is a bit OTT, but hey, I'm not sure lawsuits are in order. Unless we are talking about a defamation of character suit, but I'm not sure that would apply. The Bricasti reverb is far too complex to reproduce in a simple convolution mechanism. If these IRs are copied from a Bricasti, then they more than adequately reflect that reality. I have no way of knowing where these IRs originated, but if they are a simple copy of my work, then shouldn't I be the one that determines what the wav files should sell for? In this case, I would say they should be free, and in the public domain. -Casey" --
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
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    @jammusique_7634 said:

    [...] taking an IR of a unit only reflects a small part of what that unit can do, 20-50% IMO. [...]
    Just to avoid confusion, one should add that an IR is (ideally) 100% true to its origin in a LINEAR SYSTEM (like a real room without any air turbulances, moving doors etc.). Any NON-LINEAR-SYSTEM like most if not all algorithmic reverb engines, OTOH, can't be captured by an IR at all, by definition. So the figure of "20-50%" is maybe a good estimation. 😊

    That said, I ask all forum-members to be _very_ careful when it comes to the propagation of download-links to (possibly) copyrighted data. Quite understandably we can't and won't tolerate it.

    Kind regards,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library