Power Panning? And setting reverb.

[Symphonyx1989]

   I know there are probably a few threads on these topics already but I was unable to find them through the search feature.

I was watching the VSL Special Edition Demo tutorial done by Christian, and in the video the voice over guy says to use Power Pan if you have it? What excactly is Power Pan and how do you know if you have it?

Also when I downloaded the Cubase 4 files to see how the song was made I noticed how he used a Midi track with a VST track and put reverb on the VST track so he can give it a wet signal or dry signal, I understood that. But the thing that had me stumped was the that on the send channel Christian would have some tracks with -10db of the reverb going in. They seemed to be random the amount he had put to each VST track. This is not the one that controls the wet/dry signal but the part in the sends where you put how much reverb you want.

Is there any method to how much reverb goes to each instrument, I seem to be a bit confused.

If this is all unclear let me know and I will try my best to rephrase it =) 

[P_C]

Cubase 4 has power panning, and its available in the project setup menu, under stereo pan law.

This is just my opinion, but i think its beneficial to use a plug in for panning, like waves Imager.

If you set the send to post fader, than panning in cubase will actualy occour after the sends, meaning that your send signal will not be panned, only the direct signal.

if you, however...use a plug in in the 1-6th insert slots, the signal getting fed into the send reverb WILL be panned, creating a clearer sound and a more defined spacial position, at least to my ears.

When its set to post fader, the send level controls the amount of signal getting sendt to the reverb, and the channel fader controls the dry\direct signal. So setting the right levels for thesee are integral for getting the right amount of wetness, and greatly varies depending on the instrument, and the placement in the virtual room. You just have mess around untill it sounds right.

[DG]

@Another User said:

This is just my opinion, but i think its beneficial to use a plug in for panning, like waves Imager.

If you set the send to post fader, than panning in cubase will actualy occour after the sends, meaning that your send signal will not be panned, only the direct signal.

Regarding panning post or pre, this depends on how you have your panning set in Preferences. You can also do it on a track by track basis, so again no need for 3rd party tools.

DG

[P_C]

well, i forgot to mention that one needs to choose the pan mode on the actual channel strip itself.

And if you set stereo pan law to "equal power" you will retain the db levels in the stereo field, wich is better for positioning instrumnts if you use the VST panner.

And..well, as a default, panning IS post send in C4, and im assuming it has not been changed, if it can be as you say.

And it is very simple to look at the basic c4 signal flow diagrams, to see that this is the case.

If the panning can be set to post sends, then that would eliminate the need for a plug in indeed, altho...i happen to like the waves plugin anyway, as it has other practical benefits as well.

yes yes i get it, im an idiot, your the knowledgable one, thanx.

Just trying to be helpfull, not bludgeon people to death with information on whats"correct" or not....lol.

[DG]

@Pzy-clone said:

yes yes i get it, im an idiot, your the knowledgable one, thanx.

Just trying to be helpfull, not bludgeon people to death with information on whats"correct" or not....lol.

 

Now you are being an idiot. All I was doing is correcting some mistakes in your post. I take it you don't want to learn something on this forum? If you think that giving correct information is bludgeoning people to death, then can I assume that all the information you give is false? [8-)]

DG

[PaulR]

@DG said:

Now you are being an idiot. All I was doing is correcting some mistakes in your post.

Yeah - but you can't do that Daryl. Be aware that if you persist - there will be a sudden appearance of........................................................................... GRAMMIES!!!!!! (cue DUH DUH duhduhduhduh music)

[DG]

@DG said:

Now you are being an idiot. All I was doing is correcting some mistakes in your post.

Yeah - but you can't do that Daryl. Be aware that if you persist - there will be a sudden appearance of........................................................................... GRAMMIES!!!!!! (cue DUH DUH duhduhduhduh music)

Wall that's easy to counter, with BAFTAs.

DG

[steff3]

Great information about the power panning and why to use a plugin for it 😊 Thanks However:

@DG said:

the reason that VSL makes a deal out of this is for people who either want to pan on their farm machines or who use Logic, and therefore don't have the same panning options that are available in Cubase.

this only expresses again that DG seems not to like Logic - well, he is not wrong (as there are not exactly the same options) but in Logic you can use the included (think since version 7) 'Direction Mixer' plugin - so it is already before the sends anyways 😊 VE power panning is looking nicer thou .... 😊 best

[DG]

@DG said:

the reason that VSL makes a deal out of this is for people who either want to pan on their farm machines or who use Logic, and therefore don't have the same panning options that are available in Cubase.

this only expresses again that DG seems not to like Logic - well, he is not wrong (as there are not exactly the same options) but in Logic you can use the included (think since version 7) 'Direction Mixer' plugin - so it is already before the sends anyways 😊

VE power panning is looking nicer thou .... 😊

best

These are two separate issues:

1. DG doesn't like Logic. Correct.
2. Direction Mixer is the same as power panning. Not correct. According to Julian (who is a die hard Logic user) Direction Mixer helps you to narrow the stereo width, but makes panning almost non-existent. If you do a search you'll find his complete explanation.

[:P] 

DG

[P_C]

Well, you are correct, i was speaking from a SX3 mindframe, and as a rather fresh C4 user  i didnt yet see the possibility to alter the panning of the sends indendently from the main channelstrip .

But IF you use the C4 panner, Pan law is not irrelevant at all...in fact its quite cruical to getting the right sound and mix.

And if your setting is say, -6db...and you are unnaware of its setting, you might never realize that as you move things across the stereo image with the cubase panner, your levels are going up or down depending on wheter its center or to the sides, and can completely destroy your fragile mix and levelsetup.

But now, i have to go polish my grammys, if you will pardon me.

Then im taking them out for a walk, and maybe a fancy dinner if the mood strikes me, then..you know...maybe some luuuuhve,.

[Pro-Arte]

Hello, "....and the channel fader controls the dry\direct signal " .I idn't get it , where is the channel fader ? How can I make this ??Can you explain it with picture ???

Many thanks !!!  

[steff3]

@DG said:

Direction Mixer is the same as power panning. Not correct. According to Julian (who is a die hard Logic user) Direction Mixer helps you to narrow the stereo width, but makes panning almost non-existent. If you do a search you'll find his complete explanation.

 

DG

Well, did not find the post you mentioned but I also saw some strange behaviour and on testing a bit more - well, ok, pretty strange. But searching for that post I also found a little tool for Logic (does not work in DP correctly) - 'StereoPan'-AU which seems to work better. FLux StereoTool is also a free option for such things (Mac and PC). thanks again for the discussion. best