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  • What happened to the MIR engine?

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    I'm sure there must be some threads about this somewhere in this forum, but since you cannot search it, I am unable to find these....

    So what happened to the multi impulse response engine of VSL? I can still read the preview on this website (which has not changed for a long, long time), and I have found some older marketing material stating that a first version of such engine will be available in "early 2006". But as far as I know, no MIR-related product has been released yet.

    I would really appreciate some information about the status of the MIR project, since the VSL samples sound good, but they do not melt into a "real" orchestra sound. It is always a stereo or surround mix of independent instrument samples, not the total tonal image of a concert hall with one specific instrument here and another behind and another to the left and so on...
  • cmC
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    the search: enter one or more words into the box on the right top and click [SEARCH] - the result is e.g. http://community.vsl.co.at/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=mir

    you can use keywords like AND OR NOT NEAR to refine a search

     

    the MIR engine - hopefully dietz will forgive me - is *steaming*, very well btw ...

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    "not the total tonal image of a concert hall with one specific instrument here and another behind and another to the left and so on..."

    Ha-ha! 

    yes, that is what mixing is all about... too bad we have to do that, isn't it?
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    @William said:

    "not the total tonal image of a concert hall with one specific instrument here and another behind and another to the left and so on..."

    Ha-ha! 

    yes, that is what mixing is all about... too bad we have to do that, isn't it?

    sorry, but it is impossible to mix a "really" realistic orchestra image from VSL sample sources (like it is impossible to mix a realistic stereo image with mono equipment or a realistic surround image with stereo equipment). All of the demos I have ever heard sound good, but artificial compared to a real orchestra recording. Maybe it is not the samples themselves, so maybe MIR will be able to change this a bit.
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    @cm said:

    the search: enter one or more words into the box on the right top and click [SEARCH] - the result is e.g. http://community.vsl.co.at/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=mir

    you can use keywords like AND OR NOT NEAR to refine a search

    the MIR engine - hopefully dietz will forgive me - is *steaming*, very well btw ...

    christian

    Thanks. I did not realize that this "site search" also searches the forums.

    re MIR: I understand that there is no release date scheduled yet, so my guess would be 2009 at the earliest.
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    @am_wagner2000_25428 said:

    Thanks. I did not realize that this "site search" also searches the forums.

    basically it is the other way around: the search engine works only for the community section currently, but here also context sensitive and ordered by relevance (eg. called from the VI forum it returns preferred VI topics)

    we decided to put the input box into the header to allow an expansion across the other sections too, especially the instruments online

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @am_wagner2000_25428 said:

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    re MIR: I understand that there is no release date scheduled yet, so my guess would be 2009 at the earliest.

    Thanks for your interest! To make a long story short: In principle, the MIR is ready since 2006. There were severeal pieces published already, realized on behalf of its technique (not the finished product, though), as a proof-of-concept.

    Two things lead us to post-pone its release: First of all, the Vienna Instruments and their development had priority within the company. This has many obvious reasons; one of the less obvious is that the MIR _itself_ has to rely on very specific features only available with our own player. In this context, we had to expand our team of developers. Sounds easy, but it turned out to be quite some effort for the VSL.

    The other thing is that we still have the feeling that the prospective MIR-users won't be too happy when the hi-resolution rendering is acoustically too far away from the real-time preview, due to CPU-performance restrictions. The situation is _much_ better now than two years ago, and we see light at the end of the tunnel. 😉

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library - MIR Project
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Thanks for the information, Dietz.

    But, nonetheless, I read "between the lines" that there is still no launch date or price tag for MIR, so that, right now, there is no light at the end of the tunnel for VSL customers who would like to evaluate or buy this...
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    "sorry, but it is impossible to mix a "really" realistic orchestra image from VSL sample sources (like it is impossible to mix a realistic stereo image with mono equipment or a realistic surround image with stereo equipment" - am_wagner 

    this is false.

    You know nothing about convolution reverb.  Don't state an erroneous opinion as a fact.
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    @William said:

    this is false.

    You know nothing about convolution reverb.  Don't state an erroneous opinion as a fact.

    Bring it, don't sing it. Been using convolution reverbs for a couple of years. Show me one orchestra recording done with samples and convolution reverbs that sounds like a real orchestra on stage.
  • cmC
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    locked - gentlemen ... after christmas before new year please no more struggle - quarrels all over the world are sad enough

    thx, christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.