Sigh. Would those without a legal degree please refrain from stating nonsense?@marnix said:
Software Piracy is theft.
Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. [8-)] And that is all I will be adding to this (silly) thread.
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Sorry, if I am getting offensive when adressing you, but you weren´t exactly polite either...I am not aware I ever proclaimed that just because someone works at VSL, that must mean he is stupid. Are you confusing me with Evan Evans? [:D] (Sorry Evan, could not resist!)
Because I am working for VSL doesn´t automatically mean that I am stupid.
@marnix said:
Still, the analogy with the stolen car illustrates the way I feel about the whole issue, when somebody starts to tell me, he uses pirated/unlicensed software for "evaluation purposes" only.
Marnix
@GTBannah said:
So, Jean,
We have now got past the nuances and semantics of theft vs copyright infringment.
What is your view on theft/copyright infringment?
No more dancing, please .... [[;)]]
To Dietz:
I disagree with you, because exactly like Galleddrim says, as a student one can't afford all the samples/software you need to be operatable, so HOW CAN ONE LEARN TO WORK WITH THOSE SAMPLES AND SOFTWARE???
To be honest (héhé I'm the first one to admit!!! yes I'm guilty), as a student composition, I HAVE used libraries which I DID NOT own.
Let me make a fast calculation: to be able to work with samples you need a lot of stuff: PC or Mac (at least 1200 euro to have something useable), software sequencer (i.e. Logic: 1000 euro), software sampler (i.e. gigastudio: 600 euro), good sound card (400 euro, and that's not too much), samples... (well that's difficult, but take i.e. a simple tool like Garritan Personal Orchestra, just for orchestral sounds, it costs you 250 euro, or take i.e. library's from Miroslav or Dan Dean or Kirk Hunter, they cost you at least 500 to 1000 euro), than add a masterkeyboard (to have something reasonably good, it will cost you again between 500 and 1000 euro), eventually a controller (around 200 euro?).
Well sum it all up and you have a bill between 4000 and 5000 euro. And admit it guys, to have a PROFESSIONAL setup you must double or triple the amount... Which student or even good amateur can afford that???
You know, I still didn't invest (although I was planning to do it this summer) in VSL, just because of the price. And I know, compared to all the work programmers and producers of software and sample creating companies, it's NOT expensive i.m.o. (we already discussed this before: 3200 euro for a complete orchestra is NOT EXPENSIVE!!!). But that's just not the point in this discussion. All together it IS a great deal of money to invest, and certainly for students and good amateurs, who in fact mostly even don't use it in productions to earn money from.
I completely agree to the fact, that once you use it in productions, and you start to earn money, you have NO EXCUSE AT ALL but to have licenses of everything you use for your production.
Well that's just some of my thoughts...
PS Look, who do I have to tip about those links? Because in fact, it's soooo easy to find them...
Oh come on!
I'm 23, I'm certainly not particulary wealthy and I am not guaranteed an income from composing, but I still went to see the bank manager and got a loan out to get VSL and the computers and software required to run it, because it is something that I really want to make a career out of. It was an investment I guess, I don't regret it.... Now its down to me to make the money back.
@zigzag said:
Paw.
I dont think its a case of this being a 'pointless thread'.
I think the problems arose with your initial 'gosh, piracy must be a real problem for you software developers' post (a little like suggesting that being diagnosed with cancer may spoil an otherwise good lunch) which somewhat (perhaps unintentionally) downplayed the seriousness of this issue.
And some of the other responses that, to varying degree's, implied that in some instances using kracked software could be justified.
As a user paying thousands of dollars for software I find it extremely annoying that others may be utilising this without paying...and since they dont have this overhead they can easily undercut composers who do pay for the software.
And I can only imagine how this must affect the developers...
@PolarBear said:
The gambling industry is one of the most and always successful business in and all over the world...
This presumption is wrong Max. There are many uses for P2P other than obtaining pirated "stuff", and in some cases obtaining pirated "stuff" is perfectly acceptable ethically.@max67 said:
...The only reason one would be part of file sharing is to obtain pirated "stuff".
Regards, Max67.
and in some cases obtaining pirated "stuff" is perfectly acceptable ethically.
Evan Evans