Sticking to ones ethics is ok with me - but where would you draw the line to trade libel ...?
/Dietz
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/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Hey guys, I gotta run and pick up my son. But this isall good, I think we are getting much closer to understanding one another. Now, enough about me! I made my point clear, offended people, justified my points, apologized to those I offended, and that's the best i can do. I do want to breifly make some nice comments about the last 4 posts when I get back to it tonight.
Until then, cheers, and thanks for keeping an open and discerning mind JBM!
Evan Evans
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Amazing,
I've been away a bit and come back to the forum to find a contention between Mr. Evans and several members of the forum? Shocking! How did it ever happen? Unprecedented! I believe it's called "par for the course" in golf. Actually, as has been pointed out, there are some great tips in this thread. I examined the HOLeg2p today as a result of someone wanting to sneak it past St. Peter or something of the sort.
I don't think I can add much to so many very thoughtful posts which pretty much covered everything. jbm sure brought an inciteful fresh perspective that applied beautifully I thought.
No doubt there's a line somewhere between collage and composition and no doubt the practitioner knows what side he's living on. If I need a string run I'll start by creating it myself so as to control as many elements contained in the run as possible. The motivation here is the best result. If I find a sampled run that puts mine to shame I'll probably use it. But that would be rare because of tempo, lack of nuance, and so on. Or, maybe get a few live players and record/sample them.
Ethics doesn't enter in to my thinking because I have no insecurities as to whether I'm leaning on any crutches. I'm looking for a string run in my composition and I'm going to try to find one in the same spirit as a band leader looking for good players (who can execute his ideas.) It's about the music sounding as good as possible. Not about whether I played it, Herb played it, or I got someone else to play it. I'm not going to use an inferior presentation of an original musical idea if there is a better alternative.
A collage artist takes multiple pre-existing fragments and organizes them in some way. That's a far cry from a beat or two of sixteenth notes in an original composition (where even those very notes are original but merely executed better than MIDI control.) I don't think we have a lot of collage artists on the forum.
I prefer to create my own runs for the most part because the results are usually far superior. I also love the cresc. dim. performances because they are genuine with subtleties not found always with layers and mod wheels.
It's a subject I will never lose a bit of sleep over (even though I just managed to put myself to sleep with this intolerably boring post of mine.)
Dave Connor
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Ethics doesn't enter in to my thinking
Thinking doesn't enter into my ethics.
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That does it!
Another vicious attack on my character by Nick Batzdorf.
Well, I'm not going to pay any attention to someone who simulates room and hall sounds with artificial reverbs (collage!)
I'll stick with what the rest of us do: drag are cpu's down to the local Cathedral, play the track and capture the natural reverb on cassette recorder.
(stereo's not real either by the way)
Dave Connor
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I believe Nick Phoenix, the other Nick, is a Green. Ralph Nader hasn't been my favorite person recently, so I only eat greens. [:P]
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Although nice guys finish last..."Evan Evans
Sorry, wrong again. The actual quote from baseball manager Leo Durocer was, "They're a bunch of nice guys, but I think they're going to finish last."
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@musos said:
On the Mozart issue:
If he were alive today, he'd probably be using VSL and certainly would use the string runs and harp glisses as that would save him precious time in the bar or pool hall. I mean....damn....he'd dash off a movement as fast as possible just to get out the door and go and get legless.
How can we possibly respect someone with a substance abuse problem like that? If Mozart admonished me, I'd laugh at him.
Bach however would be a different matter.......
Colin [[;)]]
If he were alive today and working in Los Angeles, he'd have to use VSL because so many budgets are being cut, especially TV, that there's not enough money IN the budget to hire anyone outside the composer and the engineer.
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If Mozart were working in Los Angeles (which I do) he would probably be broke, in anguish, and feeling like he was about to keel over (did he sense this early death?)
I somehow feel able to speak for him as I am born 200 years exactly from him (within a few hours) have an identical birth chart, and even had a crowd of people gather around me, so strikingly similar is my profile to his. T-shirts with huge embossed head shots of Beethoven and Mozart being sold in the lobby of a Los Angeles Philharmonic concert: Zubin Mehta's 60th birthday celebration - Berg Vln Cto., Mahler 6th (two of my favorite pieces.) I was staring at the Mozart and a dear old saleslady was staring at me. She shrieked and gathered everyone around. I was actually a little shaken by that.
I do share at least one gift of the great master: versatility (which could mean I can do both polka and disco.) I did recently discover I compose in the same manner (Mozart would write what he knew he wanted in any given part to its end and then go back and write the other parts with and around it. Maybe that's why his melodies are so unhampered and his music "fits" so.)
Just a little silliness on the...
Very Silly Long threads forum.
Dave Connor
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sheesh. . .leave town for 3 days and come back to find this monster still raging.
and to think that all i wanted was a pepsi.
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