@Another User said:

Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once, and you suck forever

i really like that one - is there a photo by chance?
christian

Christian,

My copy is simply black text on white, 8 x 10. I suppose some statements don't need graphic embellishment. [:D]

Fred Story

wow, thank you all for your answers! I think they are really helpful by focusing it in the business aspect rather than the compositional one... in fact this is what I needed... the fact that I know so little about this project is just because I am only being able to present a demo to the producers but they haven't really requested that from me, only the contact I have is good enough as it can give me more (or some [[;)]]) chance of getting the job, so that's why I was wondering if I should present myself as more functional or as more original... [[;)]]

Thank you for everything... if anyone else would like to offer more opinions, please be welcome!

Regards,

Ivan.

Ivan,

If I may offer just ONE more aphorism...

In show biz there's only one hard and fast rule. Everything's negotiable.

Sounds like you have a nice opportunity. Heaven knows careers were launched with lesser opportunities! Best of luck to you.

Okay, I lied. ANOTHER one the staff gets tired of hearing me spout...

...Good work always speaks for itself.

Fred Story

Fred -
I love that quote. Even though it is funny, it is an exact transcription of what the great Russian film director Tarkovsky seriously said: "Once you start down the path of mediocrity and compromise there is no turning back." Also, I agree very much with what you said about documentaries - they seem to be the one area of tv production where a composer is given some freedom to do something decent.

Evan -
"Producers hate intelligent music. And it's very hard to "slip" intelligence by an intelligent producer who has intelligently decided that intelligent music will not be acceptable."

This is so true. I have experienced this to my shock, firsthand. At least I thought it was intelligence. I was desperately thinking about many musical questions that this person didn't care the slightest about and couldn't have any more than a flatworm could have cared about the General Theory of Relativity - though yes, I may have been mistaken and he was actually a genius who saw through my complete artistic failure and wanted only the best for his brilliant, inspired work. No, on second thought that's highly unlikely.

Anyway, you have summed up exactly the state of television music (and a lot of other highly commercial music also).

William,

Thanks. It's so true. However, what the other fellow (or maybe it was you) said about Documentaries and such is true. They compete to be of the highest quality about 30% of the time. yes teh percentage is low, but 30% of Documentaries is enough to have a little hope. However, I recently wrote an incredible score to American Almanacs: A Living History, and the music was mixed so low, I was just stunned. I sort of just let it go. You have to. I said, it loked and sounded great. NEXT PROEJCT PLEASE. [:)]

Evan Evans

there's some great information here, really useful.

But as far as the mud vs. art discussion goes....if you can make a living by making music, you could probably consider yourself a lucky person (I do).

If you want to be a no-compromise artist then you might have to look for a day job in the meantime. That's not to say it's a black or white situation- "mud" gig or "art" gig- but I can still recall the thrill of my first comission.
It was for a film about a factory making rubber gloves. I had a ball!!

In the years since then, I often veer between thinking I'm doing something very cool , fulfilling and creative, and thinking I'm another kind of "service provider". I too have had the experience of having my music mixed badly,re-cut....whatever. It hurts, there's a little bit of my soul in there.....but you have to move on and write the next tune. Jeff Rona has some mature advice about this...he also has some very useful words about demoing and pitching for jobs:
http://jeffrona.com/reelworldmag/february00aesthetics.html
and
http://www.jeffrona.com/reelworldmag/nov01viddemo.html

I think that those of us who are fortunate to be established in some way - that means, working regularly - occasionally get a little worn down by the business. Happens. That could be the time to start looking around for maybe a short film, perhaps a student film, a low/no budget documentary, or even make a start on your own opera (or similar). Thta's not to say that "non-commercial" or even "badly paid" work brings any special freedom with it. in fact, sometimes the opposite is true: amateurs and cheapskates, however talented or untalented, sometimes expect more blood than the mainstream guys, who don't take everything so damn seriously.But variety, and a change of pace, is refreshing.

But, starting out - which is what the original post was touching on- any work is really good work, because you learn so much about how music works with picture, relationships with directors / producers / editors, how to handle a deadline, business negotiation, and so much more. Not to mention that you probably can't help improving as a musician every day you get to make music.

So I think the discussion mud vs. art - with all respect guys, 'cos i know you're old hands - is relative.....first there comes the gig.

the gig be praised!!!!

Of course, when you get the gig, you wanna do something FANTASTIC!!! If they don't like it, file it away and you can use it sometime later [[;)]] .

I'm so happy to be part of this community.


Nigel

@evanevans said:

The idea of using Leitmotifs in TV is a little overboard I think. The best TV music, (once you get into the field full force), is mud.

Hello everyone! The mention of motifs in television brought the original Batman Animated Series to mind (including Mask of the Phantasm). Anyone want to comment? I know, I know, it was a cartoon, but it had some of the best music I've heard on television. Every villain had his/her own theme, besides the main Batman theme, which was originally rather derivitive of Danny Elfman's theme but developed and soon took on a life of its own. Even Robin and Batgirl had their own themes.

~Chris

Nigel

I agree with what you're saying and appreciate hearing from your experience. The greatest composers who have ever written for film in the past were as desperate for the next gig as anyone today. I remember reading what Herrmann said (a little pathetically) later on - "The new guys want me!" It was after he got hired on a film in the 70s. He was so happy to get a job after a dry spell. Startling, from today's perspective. But it is all too normal in the dog-eat-dog business of film scoring. I suppose you have to somehow keep those ideals of pure music that inspired you to begin with consciously in mind, while pursuing the next morsel of food.

On a note related to the original topic, TV themes, I wonder if anyone knows of the composer Dominic Frontiere. I consider his Outer Limits (original) music, which was used only in the first season of that great series, to be the finest music ever written for television. It is astounding how it completely alters the nature of the filmed scene it is associated with. In fact, it is a remarkable example of just what music can do to a scene. Joseph Stefano who wrote "Psycho's" screenplay and who was the producer/principal writer on the series said:

"In Outer Limits episodes I'd written, often I would hear through Dominic's music thoughts and feelings I hadn't even ever experienced before. A wallflowery line of dialogue would suddenly blossom into a thing of unsuspected beauty. A throwaway remark would take on staggering import. It was awe-inspiring. I wanted to discover the country Dominic's music had taken my screenplay to. The music takes me not backward, but forward. Sometimes while listening I'll catch a glimpse of a star's face, an eerie setting, an unsettling effect. Quickly though, the image dissolves and there remains only the music, free of the film moment responsible for its birth, an entity in and of itself, pure, authentic, soul-meant.. It reaches into parts of me that were not yet born when I produced the Outer Limits."