tattie...

@Another User said:

I am sure that Herb and the team did their own research on this subject - my information is that the ESX is the most widely used softsampler in the Mac community - and IMO if the ESX were fully ported to the PC enviroment rather than the cut down ESXSP VST version is would be adopted by more users.

Tattie,

This is exactly my point....I'm sure VSL did do the research , but then Apple/Logic pulled the rug out from under them...effectively eliminating a huge share of the market. Subsequently of course, Kontakt has taken off big time. A search of user polls show that Kontakt is the clear favorite overall (soft sampler awards/reviews illustrate this as well), and all of us know Logic users that are using Kontakt in lieu of EXS24.

The chance of Logic making EXS24 a solid VSTI I'd say is non-existant, their strategy is self evident at this point. Also, why would the much larger Kontakt/Halion userbase want to buy and learn another program when the ones they have are working just fine, thankyou?

To me this should be a pure marketing decision...VHS or BETA, one grows, one dies. By insisting that those VSL users wanting an integrated sequencer/sampler have only one choice of sequencer and one choice of platform and one choice of plugin format...this does not make good business sense.

It is a shame that Herb has wasted time and money on the EXS support, but I don't think its too late to 'swim with the current'...

Swimmingly,
Spiro

spiro, tattie, herb has indicated in another post that vsl will support additional platforms in the future. considering the amount of work actually to be done (exs-performance set, pro edition, tool development, enhancements to already released products, ect) i feel it's understandable this will not happen tomorrow.
also currently some requirements are missing in the mentioned programs to allow the usage of the full advantages the library provides
christian

Spiro,

It looks like you will have to wait a short while (but the best things in life are worth waiting for)

What I will try and do over the coming weeks, as time allows, is build a couple of Kontact 'Instruments' using the VSL libarary - I will let you know how easy or hard I found it.

Peter is right there are no public stats which detail fully what systems are used. My information is informal - from the industry, my visits to various Studios, my friends & co-workers.

Regards,

tattie

tattie, cm, Peter,

Good stuff!

I do not mean to denigrate in any way the work that Herb and Co. have done. This is a groundbreaking product...I feel that the 'Silent Stage' model was a wise decision (impulse reverbs are only going to improve and CPU power increase), and the legato articulation programming will change sampling methodology from here on.

Yes, good things are worth the wait and my cash is waiting for the VSL Winds and Brass translation to Kontakt/Halion (via VSL or through its userbase.)

All the best,
Spiro

PS-I will be getting a Halion 2.0 update which apparently features better Giga import (release layer crossfading?) and will report back.

@spiro said:

PS-I will be getting a Halion 2.0 update which apparently features better Giga import (release layer crossfading?) and will report back.

I'm VERY interested in hearing your results. The E-Mu import into HALion post really caught my eye. I'd love to know how far you can go in HALion with a VSL import.

Thanks in advance for reporting this.

PA

Just a small question ...

Nobody here has VSL and Kontakt, and tried to import instrument ?

@+
Spid

Hi Spid,
Kontakt is currently (version 1.2) not able to import gig-files correctly.
Kontakt does still NOT import the keyswitches (it generally features keyswitches, but is not able to IMPORT them from within the gig-files)
If you want to use this feature, you will have to split all the multilayers and zones with, for example, the Gigastudio Editor - and rebuild them in Kontakt..... senseless....
Also the new direkt-fom-disk feature is not working as it should be (to much CPU load....)
Anyway - the NI guys are working on this to got these problems solved.
In this case HALion (2.0) is working much better.
The import of gig-files is nearly perfect with the new version of HALion - and the disk-streaming is working very well.
Greetings,
Sebastian

Last saturday I talked to Michiel Post, manufacturer of some well known piano sample libraries (www.postpiano.com) at a workshop.
He announced that his company was very close to finishing and releasing his flagship libraries in plug-in format. They licensed Kontakt for that and added their own performance software. This software does inventive keyswitching, similar to that of VSL.
To him the advantages where very clear:
- support of a range of plug-in formats: VST, DX, RTAS, etc.
- and it can run stand-alone on a seperate computer
- eliminating differences in sound programming, less hassle
- copy protection (challenge response).
A a side note: his libraries of Bösendorfer and Steinway are hugh and meant for professional use.
Interesting developments...

Herbert Boland
www.zepmusic.com

@SpIdErWeB said:

Nobody here has VSL and Kontakt, and tried to import instrument ?

Yesterday I imported one of the VSL demo instruments in EXS24 format in Kontakt. Results were useless. There was nothing left of keyswitching, all samples were stacked on the same notes.

Herbert Boland
www.zepmusic.com

@Herbert Boland said:

Yesterday I imported one of the VSL demo instruments in EXS24 format in Kontakt. Results were useless. There was nothing left of keyswitching, all samples were stacked on the same notes.

That's a known problem with the Kontakt import. You have to use 3rd-party software to get something useful... Both CDXtract and Translator give good translations to Kontakt format from most Giga files.

/Mattias

I also dicussed this problem with the Kontakt developping engineers.
They promised, that the import function will be optimized in the future.

best wishes
Herb