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  • marnixM
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    marnixM
    Andysmi,

    To my understanding, DG referred to the Keyswitch notes being played or drawn in or copied as legato notes (Logic f.i. has a function called "note force legato (selected to selected)") and to move them for around -10 steps, so they always trigger before the actual 1 of the next beat (or wherever you want them to f.i. change the patch of a given matrix) This way, you can always see, in your sequencers matrix editor, which keyswitch is active at a particular moment in your arrangement.

    Conquer,

    A# would be 466.164Hz
    Ab would be 415.305

    I have a handy little widget in my dashboard to calculate these things - if you want to, I could send it to you by email!

    Best, Marnix
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    Marnix has it sort of right...! What I do is play the keyswitch at the correct time and then make it almost long enough so that it almost reaches the next one. By selecting all the keyswitches you can do this with one key command (in Nuendo and Cubase). This means that there is always a Note On command active wherever you start in your music. The -10 refers to the fact that the automatic gap that I set is 10 ticks, so that your notes are not quite legato. I hope that this clears up and confusion that I might have caused. [:O]ops:

    DG
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    Ah I see... using the 'legato' function of your sequencer you stretch each of the keyswitch notes until it almost hits the next one... pretty clever!

    So what's the tradeoff... you have to apply that function manually every time you lay down a part, no? I guess I could assign a macro.

    Also, each instrument has a different range for keyswitches... do you just have a different macro for each different keyswitch range?

    Thanks! I love getting these tips from the masters!

    - Andy
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    @andysmi said:

    Hi -

    Not sure what sequencer you're using, but I use Cubase SX3 and it has an option called 'Chase Controllers', and when selected it causes Cubase to set any controller(s) to the last set value, no matter where you start in the song. So even if you haven't touched the controller since the very beginning, it looks back in the track and sets the controller to whatever the last value was. So if you set pitch bend once at the beginning of a track it will be remembered from then on.

    Maybe you have a similar function in your sequencer.

    Hope this helps.

    Andy


    I´m working with Logic. But maybe there´s something wrong, cause I activated "chase pitch bend", but when I start a song after the last pitch-bend event, it is not recognized.
    To all Logicusers: Is that right? Or could I have set something wrong?



    Concerning the master-tune: Highest amount is 460 hz, but it needs to be 466,1 Hz. So unless I want my Violins to be out of tune, the master tune doesn´t work.
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    @andysmi said:


    Also, each instrument has a different range for keyswitches... do you just have a different macro for each different keyswitch range?

    - Andy

    All my instruments have the same keyswitches (starting at C-1). I use another, smaller keyboard for all the controllers and keyswitches, which have labels on them, in case I forget which one is which. [:O]ops:

    DG
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    At least I got the pitch wheel working now and regognizing all pitch changes, without the need to start before the last automation point.

    Seems like there is no real good solution. So this leaves the question to me, why VLS set the master tune region from 420 Hz till 460 Hz instead of 467 Hz to allow a pitch of half a tone.

    I´m still hoping for an update about this!
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    I guess the answer is that VSL didn't think people would need to retune the samples by as much as a semitone (perhaps because in real life orchestral instruments are rarely that far out of tune) and therefore provided a rather narrow 'fine tune' control. Personally I would like to have greater overall control of the tuning and feel it's a pity the pitch bend range is limited to one tone (200 cents).
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    Maybe they´ll fix that in an update?
  • PaoloTP
    PaoloTP

    On a side note: being able to master tune between A415 and A466 Hz would allow perfect matching with acoustic baroque instruments. These are the standards around which baroque ensembles have standardized. (The big organ made by Gaetano Callido in 1792, I could work on on last summer, was tuned A466, probably after a recent restoration).

    Paolo
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    I know you are searching for a solution in VI.
    In VIPro there is a possibility to adjust all keys (all a's, all b's flat, all b's and so on) until a semitone higher or a semitone lower (from - 100 cents until + 100 cents). So when you set all the keys a semitone lower and adjust the midi settings in the VIPro midi settings of all the slots (!) of the instrument, you get an "new" instrument. 
    In VIPro it is also possible to adjust the range of tones, so you can get the highest tone of the instrument by adjusting the range. This works fine, only it takes some time to make all the midi adjustments of the slots, depending of course of the amount of articulations.
  • bbeliusB
    bbeliusB

    I find it easier to use the Logic Editor in Cubase as midi insert. I use two instances:
    First one transposes every note above the keyswitches, and second one sends pitch-shift data whenever there is a note.

    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist