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  • New Mix .. comments welcome

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    H
    Hey guys.

    I have mixed a new version of my Gathering Theme using Altiverb mainly .. and I'm interested to know peoples opinions. I hope you find it realistic and nice to listen to. I'm unsure about the volume level of the Choir but I guess I'm happy with how they sit. And the overall tone is supposed to be quite reverby.

    http://www.elvenmusic.com/public/Gathering-Alt-Mix-3.mp3

    If people like it I'll publish a topic on my site about what I used for Reverb settings, and other general mix information.

    If not .. well I'll keep working at it [:D] Anyways .. hope you enjoy and please feel free to comment.
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    Hi Hetoreyn,

    very nice!

    I donĀ“t get my mixes this good, but anyway, hereĀ“s my oppinion:

    - I think it is a little to wet.
    Specially when the choir comes in. For me it sounds a little like the choir is singing in another enviroment than the rest of the orchestra. In this part the trumpet also sounds too wet.


    - When the clarinet plays at 0:06 - 0:09, it sounds like it is moving from center front to right back??? But this could be a problem of my Mackie console.
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    H
    YEah I think you're right .. a little too wet. The main Reverb is Altiverb .. 4 instances of. Although rather than do the normal Near Middle Far and furthest .. I decided to put the strings nearer to the back. Biggest beef I always have is that in most orchestral recordings the strings sound very even and distant .. and yet in my own they always sound far too close.

    So, I pulled them back. There is also a Space Designer Reverb .. using my "Hetoreyns Preset 3 - from my website if anyone wants to take a look", that covers the overall tail. All this does is helps to send the orchestra back a little bit more and extend the tail a bit. In this case the Direct sound mix was at -5db. I should set it to -2db and then it won't sound so wet.

    Personally I like the trumpet sound, but as you say .. setting the reverb down a touch makes it a little more real perhaps. As for the clarinet I'm really not sure about that. It seems to be doing what I want it to and it's staying in the right place for me [:D]

    I had tried to pan using Altiverb but this sounded bloody awful. Not sure what it was doing but everything sounded phased, squashed, and generally bad. So then I used Dir Mix, and the logic balance, to position .. which seemed to work better.

    The Altiverb IR was the Teldex studio set.

    Anyways, thanks for the comments .. anymore?
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    Hi Hetoreyn,

    me likes! [H]

    I don't find it too reverby at all, you manage to get a nice, floating feel for the whole piece. Only the trumpet is really somewhat strange - far away and "big" at the same time. Maybe you can make a dedicated reverb for this solo and try to shelve off the low-end below 300 Hz for several dB.

    For a true "cinemascope"-feel the mix could benefit from some dry, deep bass (frequency-wise, not the instrument), giving the whole "airy" feeling even more foundation and thus more contrast to evoke the feeling of incredible height and depth.

    HTH & all the best,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W
    Nice piece! I had the same reaction as Dietz concerning the trumpet. But a very good sound overall.
  • H
    H
    Well, I did something very unusual with the strings and brass. The strings I used a further IR distance on .. 10 meters .. and pushed them back quite a ways .. but the Brass used a closer IR .. 7 meters .. and was more forward than the strings.

    I can never seem to quite get the sense of realism in the orchestra .. that's why I tried this because it seemed to me that the distance was all wrong when you try to mix the depth layers as normal.

    I have since played around with the trumpet a little and I think it now sits a little better. Will put up a new version soon.

    Glad that you all have generally liked it overall though. Mixing has been killing me lately.
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    H
    Here's an update:

    Slightly different .. I assume most of you will still not like the Trumpet but in all honesty I can't do anything about it without screwing up the rest of the mix. And I rather like it myself [[:D]]

    I have tried to boost the bass frequencies and I have brought down the reverb level a tiny bit. If anyones interested in this mix formula I will publish a "how to" on my site soon. This will of course be for Logic users and AV users .. but I will try to show as many settings as possible so other sequencer and reverb users can attempt to match the settings.

    I think I would benefit from using something like Ozone 3 to do my final mastering with mind you .. but until I get that I'm stuck with using Logics Built in Compressor and Eq .. they're ok .. but lets face it .. there is better .. particularly for orchestral works.

    http://www.elvenmusic.com/public/Gathering-Alt-Mix-7.mp3

    So, see what you think [[:D]]