Dave.. You are right. I have several of the Horizon series for GIGa and so was aware of the value. I was just so intrigued with the way the Unversal Mode worked that I was excited to get my hands on it. I am impressed with the GUI and the amount of control that you have so I think once I get a chance to dig into that a bit more I'll deal with the lack of that mode. I may end up at some point getting into that through the Appasionate Strings or one of the other offerings. All it takes is money.

Thanks for your input!

Brian Green
Castlebury Productions
Nashville, TN

I also have the Special Edition and was very interested in checking out some Universal Mode Patches. I am a new user of this library so I apologize for the fundamental question.

If I only wanted to purchase an individual library containing Universal Mode Patches, like Orchestral Strings for example, would I be entitled to a discount as the owner of the Special Edition. If so, which library would be the right one for that?

TIA

I am glad this was brought up. I was 90% ready to get SE for the very reason if speeding up composing with automatic switching. Without that I can achieve the same results with more K2 and Banks. Here's to hoping SE will be expanded on!
Chris

For you that don't have access to the Universal Mode presets, don't think you are missing out on the holy grail. It's nothing but a preset that you could make yourself if you have all the articulations needed - which you don't as you only own this smaller SE version of the complete library. But that doesn't mean you can't make your own presets to fit your needs, and you will be able to load them up whenever you need them to start composing quickly.

Ah, so does the SE player still have speed detection? Sure there would be less articulations, but I could still get a switch between sus/legato/stac.
Thanks,
Chris

Hi,

the Special Edition gives you the exact same player as all the other collections.

No problem to set up speed as a controller betwenn different articulations [:)]

Best,

Paul

Since I started this thread I feel like I should give my input after having used SE for a few weeks now. I have been very pleased and have no regrets at all about the purchase. I think I put too much expectation on the Universal mode based on the demos on the site so when I didn't see it in the SE version I was dissapointed. I have to say that the implementation and playability of the engine is really amazing. I have several of these samples in Giga format and find it much easier to work in the SE inviroment. Much more playable and the legato patches are really amazing. I find that I am using combinations of both platforms but when I need to really have control over the patch I'm going to the SE version fairly consistantly. Great Work Herb!

Thanks!

Fantastic news! Sounds like this is a winner!
Thanks Paul and Brian

On their web page VSL has a link on the page of the Secial Edition.
http://vsl.co.at/en-us/211/412/293.vsl
This button is called "take a tour".
If you press it, it explains everything about this new library.
This includes performance detection "interval detection" on page 6 and Speed detection and repetition detection on page 7.
All pages are labled with Vienna Special Edition.

Do you want to tell me that this is actually not the case?

Because if this is so, then they will have lots of problems with people suing them.
[:(]

Hello and welcome irrlicht,

it´s very kind of you to worry about our legal status [;)], but there´s no reason....

All the mentioned features are implemented, you get exactly the same functionality of the Vienna Instruments as with the bigger collections. Of course there are less samples available, but the "musical intelligence" regarding the interval and repetition detection is always available [:)]

Best,

Paul

Thats good.
But what does Universal Mode then mean that Castlebury was missing?

I thought these are the features I mentioned.

Not?

Now that I understand it, I can probably answer it.

The Universal Mode was actually a pre-made patch using a large number of articulations with all the nuances covered. The lack of articulations means there are no pre-made patches like this in SE, but there are enough that you can create your own variation instead. The player and features of said player are the same from SE to the full library. The only difference is the # of articulations & dynamic layers.

Chris

Thanks dragonwind!
That was not so easy to understand.

Now I must admit that this library is looking very interesting.
I like to create music but it is only a hobby and I do not have that much time for it.

Thats why I'm interested if the performance detection can help to save my time.

Does it actually work?
Did anyone use it?

I can imagine that it needs to be fed by the sequencer to work because it has to look ahead, correct?

I cannot imagine this working while I play.

Did anyone use it in a demo?

OK, after some hours of research in the Internet and downloading the manual I understood that performance detection is implemented as a controller that can be used.

So I could use them, but do I have to configure this for all instruments or are there predefind configurations that I can use for this?

Hi irrlicht,

of course there are preconfigured presets and matrices [:)], and it´s very easy to customize these to your needs!

Best,

Paul

Paul, the question in this thread is whether there are presets in SE that use the speed detection and the answer to that is no. One needs to build those. This the entire crux of this thread and there are more than a few people that are very disappointed that there is no "universal mode" for any of the instruments in SE.

Universal mode is a highly advertised feature of the Vienna Instruments and is also the sole subject of one of the videos that is used to show off the the VI player. This video is included in the videos that describe the SE in particular. The physical manual that come with SE also describe these presets but not that they aren't included in the SE.

So the message that the development team needs to get is to either add this to the product or stop advertising it. It is bordering on misleading.

Thanks Paul and dbudde,
I do not understand why are no presets in SE that use the speed detection.
Is would make sence to create them for all users instead of having everyone have to create them.
You wold need only one per instrument.
Maybe something to think about for a patch or something like that.

dbudde, I agree that it is a bit misleading on the web page, but the universal mode is not mentioned in any of the describing text on any web site I looked at.
So the only misleading thing is:
-The video and
-You expectations.


I believe that we cannot expect to get everything for this price.
VSL needs to keep enough good things for the Cube users.

Correct me if I'm wrong because I actually do not know exactly how important this universal mode actually is.

Universal Mode seemed important when I first got VI, but after the first week or so I never used it, so it's not that important to me. My own presets are much better suited to my workflow.

DG

Just bought the SE partly because I watched the Universal mode video online (it's also on the SE install disc which is a bit strange if it's not applicable [*-)]). Even although not all of the articulations are there, it would have been nice to either have clearly pointed-out that Universal mode isn't part of SE or have some similar "Universal Mode Lite" patches bundled with SE to help.

Don't get me wrong, it's a lovely bit of software but it's not quite what I thought I was getting.

D.

@irrlicht said:

Correct me if I'm wrong because I actually do not know exactly how important this universal mode actually is.

Looking over your posts in this thread it looks to me as if you didn't read the first page, where I answer your question.

Forget about the Universal Mode, it's nothing but a preset you can make yourself in 2 mins, if you have the articulations, that is.

What is interesting and groundbreaking about this software is the speed-detection and matrix control, and it's all inside the plugin in the SE. SE or cube - same plugin, but not same amount of samples.

Comprende? [[;)]] [:D]