Thanks, Herb.

So if you assign the horizontal dimension for articulation switching to a cc, then if you had a keyboard Controller with buttons that could be programmed to send specific values for that "articulation-switchng cc", you could assign different buttons to trigger different articulations, correct? That way,

1) You could switch articulations on the fly
2) The changes would be discreet (as opposed to trying to move a fader, say, through a fraction of its range and landing in the right place, while you're playing 16th notes at high speed), and
3) The changes would be chase-able.

Is my reasoning sound?

Peter

I don't understand the problem using keyswitches. Just set them to be "legato" with a value of around -10 ticks (to give a small gap) and then providing that your sequencer is set to chase notes there will never be a problem wherever you start. Controllers are much more problematic and in order to get Nuendo to chase those I have to have a kind of tremor in the hand when entering them so that the value is continuously changing. what a load of rubbish. [:D]

DG

DP doesn't have an "auto legato" function, which apparently Nuendo does - to achieve this I'd have to manually lengthen all the keyswitch durations. Of course this is doable - but I'm looking for a way to change articulations on the fly that will result in chase-able changes. So I'd still love for someone to confirm my reasoning. I actually think it would be pretty cool if it works. (Gotta get a Controller with some assignable buttons, though).

@plurye said:

DP doesn't have an "auto legato" function, which apparently Nuendo does - to achieve this I'd have to manually lengthen all the keyswitch durations. Of course this is doable - but I'm looking for a way to change articulations on the fly that will result in chase-able changes. So I'd still love for someone to confirm my reasoning. I actually think it would be pretty cool if it works. (Gotta get a Controller with some assignable buttons, though).

No legato feature? But that has been in Cubase since VST days (and maybe even before). You should complain.

DG

I should complain MORE about DP?? [:)]

I gotta take a break once in a while...

Can you tell me how the legato feature works?

@plurye said:

I should complain MORE about DP?? [:)]

I gotta take a break once in a while...

Can you tell me how the legato feature works?

You select the keyswitch notes, click legato, set the overlap to something like -10 ticks and press OK. Then all the keyswitches are present throughout the score, so that you can start anywhere and the correct sounds will play.

DG

Ah. Yes, DP has that feature ("extend durations to next note"). And that is, in fact, how I handle it. Again, though, I'm looking for a way to switch articulations on the fly, which is a bit different.

PL

@plurye said:

I should complain MORE about DP?? [:)]

I gotta take a break once in a while...

Can you tell me how the legato feature works?

You select the keyswitch notes, click legato, set the overlap to something like -10 ticks and press OK. Then all the keyswitches are present throughout the score, so that you can start anywhere and the correct sounds will play.

DG
OK, someone has just told me that the legato feature used not to be in DP, but now is. I would suggest finding this out for certain,as it could solve a huge number of problems for you.

DG

Right this is what I've been told:

@Another User said:

You can do this in DP a couple of ways. easiest is to use "Region>Change Duration>Move Releases". This will extend the cutoffs of the selected notes of your first chord up to the attacks of the notes of your second chord. It works with chords or single notes...wahtever you select. Also, there's "Region>Change Duration>Extend Releases" where you can fine tune the extensions a bit. Finally, I sometimes take string pads, quantize their attacks and releases to the duration of the chords, then "Region>Change Duration>Scale" to about 105%, which actually extends the releases over the attacks of the next chord. This gives some very nice legato transistions. Check out the "Change Durations" section in your manual and you'll get a bunch of good ideas.

DG

Thanks, DG. As I said earlier, I've done those exact duration tricks for years (I go WAAAY back with DP, and those tricks have been around since 2.0). Regardless, thanks for having gone to the effort of getting your friend to explain.

Again, that's an "after-the-fact" method of fixing articulation changes - while it's a perfectly valid approach (and in fact it's what I already do) I'm interested in maximizing efficiency, and am exploring the best way to create chaseable articulation changes WHILE recording the part in question.

So I'd still love someone to confirm my reasoning from my earlier email.

PL

@DG said:

Finally, I sometimes take string pads, quantize their attacks and releases to the duration of the chords, then "Region>Change Duration>Scale" to about 105%, which actually extends the releases over the attacks of the next chord. This gives some very nice legato transistions.

Does this work even if it's the same note overlapping it's next attack? I didn't think that worked but rather the next attack doesn't sound if the prior note was still playing.

Also, how can I get the matrixes to change with patch change? I've tried creating a patch change in DP and right clicking the matrix box in VI but when I play or scroll with DP the matrix doesn't change.

Thanks

Is there an "auto legato" function in Logic Pro 7? If so, how can I find it?

Re patch change in DP, I'm able to use this to change matrices. One oddity: The patch number is offset by one. So where VI looks for patch #s 101 - 112, you have to use one patch number higher in DP (i.e., enter patch 102 in the seq track in order to get the first matrix, which should be select by patch 101).

One more issue - even with the "Set Event Chasing" correctly set in DP, I find that it often won't chase the patch change. Not sure why.

PL

Hi PL,

some programs start counting patch/bank numbers at #0, others at #1, while sending the same MIDI info. Some even allow you to switch between the two. I've no idea why this is so - maybe some companies abhor a vacuum? [[;)]]

Cheers,
David
VSL manuals

Colin - yes. I forget whether it's in other editors, but in the Matrix editor you highlight the notes and select Functions->Note->Force Legato in the local window menu. That will make every note-off butt up against the following note-on. There are two options, one of which extends the last note selected to the end of the MIDI region.

You can also shorten notes that overlap with a command in the same area.

Thanks. I'll try that out.

I would like to associate Vienna Symphonic Library and FINALE. Is that possible?

@plurye said:

DP doesn't have an "auto legato" function, which apparently Nuendo does - to achieve this I'd have to manually lengthen all the keyswitch durations. Of course this is doable - but I'm looking for a way to change articulations on the fly that will result in chase-able changes. So I'd still love for someone to confirm my reasoning. I actually think it would be pretty cool if it works. (Gotta get a Controller with some assignable buttons, though).

I use DP as well. I just got the Novation Remote Zero SL, which has already turned out to be brillant for other VI control. It has tons of buttons and even pads that you can assign to just about anything you want. I haven't gotten around to programing it for patch switching with VSL yet, but I'm pretty sure you can assign a button to a specific CC (amount, latch, mometary, on, off etc.) to make it work.
I'm going to give it go as soon as I have a break long enough to spend some time experimenting with it.

As for complaining to MOTU, I'm sure they cringe whenever I call or email them. I've been hounding them nonstop for the last year or so on various issues.

The Novation may be just what I've been looking for - thanks. Let me know if you get a chance to try what I suggested.

Re DP, I always imagine Satanic laughter after they get off the phone with me ("get a load of THIS sucker - he ACTUALLY thinks we're going to support DP with Pro Tools Hardware on Intel Macs!")

PL

I had a few hours open yesterday and I tried setting up the novation to do switching with buttons. It took me about 30 minutes to do a custom set up using the buttons for switching. I used cc #79 for Hspan, #78 for Vspan and set the buttons to snap shot at various levels i.e. 15, 30, 50, 70, 90 and 110.
It works like a charm. There are 4 different rows of 8 buttons on the novation. I used a row of 5 for H span and then 2 more (between two rows) for V span.

The only thing I didn't get to was switching between the loaded patches. I ran out of time and was looking but didn't find where I could set the keyswitching between the patches loaded in VSI to cc instead of key switching.

Anyone know if there a way to switch between several matrix that are loaded in a player other than keyswitching?