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    Herb's statement is one of artistic principle above everything else - that the purity of samples is paramount. And someone jimmyjacking around with waveforms can go elsewhere. [H]

    BTW - crossfade phasing is a non-issue with VSL.  If you have a bee in your bonnet concerning this use any one of the massive number of dynamic samples available. That is why they were recorded.
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    well, nevertheless - in their tutorial videos the show off dynamic crossfades - and some of them sound - at least to my ears - totally unmusical, faked, scary - and I do not consider myself to be a purist or anything. I think time stretching and formant shifting would be a great addition to the sample player - Roland and Creamware (STS5000) already showed that time-manipulation and such can be done with great quality. This would help the vibrato expressiveness a lot. With Kontakt we had at least (soundwise) limited possibilities available. not with the VI yet, but planning to transfer slowly .... best
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    Roland and Creamware's time stretching applications are non streaming sampling systems I guess?

    best

    Herb
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    William, I agree that there are many alternatives to velocity xFade, but it is such a good feature that I really would love to be able to use it on all instruments. The more keyswitching that I have to do the more I hate programming. Yes, I'm lazy, but my ideal is to be able to play these wonderful virtual instruments as much as possible in real time, and not to have to patch things together.

    DG
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    you guess right. :) But as it is even easier to play samples from RAM and one most often does not need to time stretch all samples real-time I do not see that it would not be possible to achieve. best
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    Could we get some more details on how this interfaces with the sequencer (MIDI, or some other method) and the audio outputs?  Pretty please?? :)
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    This is kind of OT, but kind of not... While I eagerly await the VE, I'm setting up my 8GB slave machine to run V-Stack and Bidule together. It basically works, but there's a strange thing happening with memory, which I'm sure someone better on Windows than myself can help solve. I load 2.2-ish GB into Bidule and all's well. I start loading up patches in V-Stack and they load up with no problems. My card (RME) is happy, as long as I keep the output separated, and all seems fine. However, going into the Task Manager, I notice that Bidule has seemingly dumped its memory. When I go to play some of the instruments in Bidule, they play, but with lots of crackles. Slowly, the memory in Bidule (Task Manager) starts to rise. So, I'm guessing the system paged out Bidule's memory when I started loading into V-Stack, but how can I prevent this? Is it a VM setting?
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    jbm - not sure about your problem - sorry. However, thinking through the new Vienna Ensemble stuff I sure hope that it fully supports automation (e.g. volume/pan) etc from the host DAW. I can't see why it wouldn't but if my memory serves me correctly VStack (when hosted remotely and using Midi Over LAN) wouldn't pick up any automation data at all. Tim
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    yeah, automation should certainly be supported. I can't imagine it won't, somehow... Anyway, I boldly set my VM to "No page file", and so far it seems to be holding Bidule's memory while V-Stack loads. Hopefully it won't hit the system max and explode... ;-)
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    woohoo! Just under 6GB and everything's running fine! Sweeeeet... Mind you, VE will still be sweeeeeeter (just to get back "on topic").
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    Awww dammit .. I want the VE NOW!!!! It's calling to me in my dreams .. I'm literally dreaming about using it. Sure hope it handles better than my dream version .. which sort of went all wibbly wobbly .. as things invariably do in dreams. .... silly defective brain. A shame this doesn't come out a bit sooner .. could have really used this on my latest project, but I guess the infernal machinations of logic and Altiverb are proving ample sound quality. I hope VSL do a whole sequencer next too :D
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    What I REALLY want to know is how the audio is routed from the slave to the main DAW computer: by LAN or by audio interfaces? Could you VSL people chime in? It would affect a couple of purchases I plan to do the next couple of weeks.
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    I second that, big time.
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    @PierreFunck said:

    What I REALLY want to know is how the audio is routed from the slave to the main DAW computer: by LAN or by audio interfaces? Could you VSL people chime in? It would affect a couple of purchases I plan to do the next couple of weeks.
    Could be either... If you're on PC, FX-Teleport does a very good job of doing this all on LAN, but it still only runs on Windows. If you have a Mac as either sequencer or slave, then you'll have to go with hardware (audio interface). If you're running Windows on both machines, go to fx-max.com and get the demo of FX-Teleport. If you've got one Mac and one PC, or two Macs, then I'd (personally) get yourself a pair of RME HDSP9652 cards. They're top quality, have 2 ports of midi and 3 ADAT lightpipe ports, wordclock, and they have totally stable and useable 64bit Windows drivers. The only bummer thing is that they're strictly digital, so unless you can use SPDIF out for monitoring, you'll still need some form of analog outs. Personally, I have the HDSP9652 on my slave PC, and an m-audio Profire Lightbridge on the Mac sequencer. This way I can get all the lightpipes from the PC, and monitor through the Profire. Of course, m-audio's drivers kind of suck, and the Profire is nowhere near as snappy, latency-wise, as the RME card (DSP). It's just a matter of how you need to monitor... If you have a digital mixer, or something, then the two RME cards would be brilliant. (In my old setup I also used an RME DIGI96/8 card for monitoring... I still have the card, so I may set that up again soon. Hope that helps. -- J.
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    Since I use a Mac as my main DAW, FX Teleport is not an option. FX Teleport 2 (Mac compatible) has been announced for years now, but nobody knows when it'll be ready. I was thinking of buying an audio interface with a lot of digital inputs (for example [url=http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11320]this one[/url]), but if Vienna Ensemble handled audio by ethernet, this would save me some €1500... anyway, I'll hold off any investment untli Vienna Ensemble is ready!
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    Well, I have to say again that I really can't see VSL adding MIDI/Audio LAN streaming to this software. I think the big features are 64-bit support and a VI-centric panning system. I can't imagine they wouldn't list LAN streaming as one of the major features, either, if it were in the works. The tcelectronic unit looks nice, though it doesn't have the number of digital inputs that the Profire has (2 lightpipes vs. 4). But I'd imagine it probably performs better, overall, and it's nice to have the analog options as well. On the other hand, I'm sure FX-Teleport 2 will come out some day. And that will probably be a *very* nice option (and one which I'll very likely choose, as well!) --- J.
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    @DG said:

    I think that half the problem with the audio/MIDI over LAN thing is that it has to work with loads of plugs and loads of different systems. With only one player to worry about it could well be less of a problem.

    I totally agree with DG to this point.

    I work every day on a complex system based on FX Teleport and VST plugins (both effects and instruments) from at least 10 different manufacturers. And the result is incredibly stable.

    Luigi Pulcini.
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    True! and on some setup (like mine) LAN causes clicks and clips with the audio card. I know, I'm surely the only one but it's my life's story [*-)]
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    Do you want to give more specs for your system? Mine will give occasional clicks (something to do with Network checking) if I am running a huge number of instruments, but other than that it works very well.

    DG
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    I don't know what kind of suggestion I could give you.

    Probably because my system started working flawless from the beginning, so I have no trick or tweak I tested on it. It just worked! [:D]

    You can see an image of my setup HERE.

    And you can listen to the biggest orchestration I did with it HERE.

    And you can see the instrument setup details on the fifth reply HERE.

    All my LAN is obviously a Gigabit one.

    As I said in other occasions, I reach the RAM bottleneck (2GB), before I can saturate CPU (25%) or LAN (5-6%).

    I hope this could help.

    Luigi Pulcini.